The Ford Barn

3739ford · 12-08-2017, 11:19 AM

I'm thinking of using my original brake shoes on my 39 Ford pickup. They have the holes already for rivets and was going to try my hand at relining.

What is the best way to remove the old bonded lining?

oldford2 · 12-08-2017, 11:56 AM

Well, I am just guessing because I can not remember how I did it. Maybe moderate heat might soften the bonding agent.
I found old woven lining material (probably asbestos) and riveted them on myself. Use brass rivets not the steel ones. Much better stopping than the hard bonded type.
John

v8fordman · 12-08-2017, 07:18 PM

Take a chisel bit on an air hammer and it will pop right off. (Or you can do it by hand with a hammer and chisel) Then finish by lightly sanding remaining residue and glue on a flat belt sander. You should use a good dust mask. I normally bead blast, then paint to keep them from rusting... before riveting the woven linings on. You will get an excellent job if you follow this procedure. I have plenty of NOS Ford linings and rivets if you haven't bought them yet.

philipswanson · 12-08-2017, 08:20 PM

The guy that did mine used a torch and burned them off. Very easy and clean removal.

larrys40 · 12-08-2017, 08:36 PM

Have done it a couple of times and it's not worth the effort. It's also probably asbestos material. Do yourself a favor and order the new bonded shoes and linings from Baxter ford or another vendor

supereal · 12-09-2017, 02:20 PM

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Unless you are a glutton for punishment, replacing the shoes with new linings installed is the way to go The shoes for the pickup and passenger cars is the same, 91A-2001-N for '39 We get ours from C&G. www.cgfordparts.com

Phil Gillespie · 12-09-2017, 02:33 PM

Locally here in NZ it is still possible to take in your old removed shoes and have them relined. Still works out slightly cheaper than replacement complete shoes.
Have just done my front ones and parts guy immediately recognized " Ford V8 brake drum" taken in to ensure linings are correct thickness.
Phil NZ

oldford2 · 12-09-2017, 02:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by supereal

Unless you are a glutton for punishment, replacing the shoes with new linings installed is the way to go The shoes for the pickup and passenger cars is the same, 91A-2001-N for '39 We get ours from C&G. www.cgfordparts.com

Bob,
I have replaced linings on several cars and like you say it is time consuming(like drilling, counter boring, and riveting). but for me it is not""punishment"". My hourly rate is low ($0). But a lot of us enjoy getting the satisfaction of playing with our old Ford and rebuilding existing parts. Especially in the winter when we cannot drive them. I have a stove in my shop so in it often and sometimes find myself fixing something that isn't even broke!!
In this bolt on/throwaway society we could just go out and buy foreign made brake shoes, new carbs, new fuel pumps, etc.
Not being critical here just pointing out there are different strokes for different folks and your helpful advise on the Barn is appreciated by all.
John

tubman · 12-09-2017, 03:07 PM

When I did the brakes on my '51, I just went ahead and ordered one of those kits everybody advertised. When I got it and tried to install it, I found that the new shoes were made of thicker material and the adjusters wouldn't fit. When I had pulled the old shoes off, I had noticed that they were riveted and had the "Ford" script stamped on them. I sent the new kit back and looked in the Yellow Pages (this was a while ago) and found an outfit that relined shoes. Two days later and for a reasonable price, I had the relined Ford script shoes ready to go back on the car.

3739ford · 12-09-2017, 05:44 PM

I like doing as much as I can myself and it is down right cold to be outside right now. I gather parts in advance of really needing them so when I do get some time I already have what I need.

Can someone educate me on brake shoe lining, vs woven brake shoe lining?

cas3 · 12-09-2017, 05:51 PM

if you are still running the mechanical brakes, the woven material makes quite a difference in good braking. the hard lining is more for the later hydraulic brakes. i have two up and running model A's, one woven, one hard, and it is a big difference. woven linings are a bit more money, so some guys try to save a buck and buy the hard linings, bad idea imho.

12-08-2017, 11:19 AM	#1
3739ford Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2017 Location: Dothan, AL Posts: 326	Brake lining removal I'm thinking of using my original brake shoes on my 39 Ford pickup. They have the holes already for rivets and was going to try my hand at relining. What is the best way to remove the old bonded lining?

12-08-2017, 11:56 AM	#2
oldford2 Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: pittsfield, MA Posts: 2,087	Re: Brake lining removal Well, I am just guessing because I can not remember how I did it. Maybe moderate heat might soften the bonding agent. I found old woven lining material (probably asbestos) and riveted them on myself. Use brass rivets not the steel ones. Much better stopping than the hard bonded type. John

12-08-2017, 07:18 PM	#3
v8fordman Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Lexington, NC Posts: 1,090	Re: Brake lining removal Take a chisel bit on an air hammer and it will pop right off. (Or you can do it by hand with a hammer and chisel) Then finish by lightly sanding remaining residue and glue on a flat belt sander. You should use a good dust mask. I normally bead blast, then paint to keep them from rusting... before riveting the woven linings on. You will get an excellent job if you follow this procedure. I have plenty of NOS Ford linings and rivets if you haven't bought them yet.

12-08-2017, 08:20 PM	#4
philipswanson Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2015 Location: Bonita, CA Posts: 1,378	Re: Brake lining removal The guy that did mine used a torch and burned them off. Very easy and clean removal.

12-08-2017, 08:36 PM	#5
larrys40 Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: St Charles , Missouri Posts: 2,033	Re: Brake lining removal Have done it a couple of times and it's not worth the effort. It's also probably asbestos material. Do yourself a favor and order the new bonded shoes and linings from Baxter ford or another vendor

12-09-2017, 02:20 PM	#6
supereal Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Iowa Posts: 1,634	Re: Brake lining removal Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) Unless you are a glutton for punishment, replacing the shoes with new linings installed is the way to go The shoes for the pickup and passenger cars is the same, 91A-2001-N for '39 We get ours from C&G. www.cgfordparts.com

12-09-2017, 02:33 PM	#7
Phil Gillespie Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Christchurch New Zealand Posts: 1,648	Re: Brake lining removal Locally here in NZ it is still possible to take in your old removed shoes and have them relined. Still works out slightly cheaper than replacement complete shoes. Have just done my front ones and parts guy immediately recognized " Ford V8 brake drum" taken in to ensure linings are correct thickness. Phil NZ

12-09-2017, 03:07 PM	#9
tubman Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Minnesota, Florida Keys Posts: 12,138	Re: Brake lining removal When I did the brakes on my '51, I just went ahead and ordered one of those kits everybody advertised. When I got it and tried to install it, I found that the new shoes were made of thicker material and the adjusters wouldn't fit. When I had pulled the old shoes off, I had noticed that they were riveted and had the "Ford" script stamped on them. I sent the new kit back and looked in the Yellow Pages (this was a while ago) and found an outfit that relined shoes. Two days later and for a reasonable price, I had the relined Ford script shoes ready to go back on the car.

12-09-2017, 05:44 PM	#10
3739ford Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2017 Location: Dothan, AL Posts: 326	Re: Brake lining removal I like doing as much as I can myself and it is down right cold to be outside right now. I gather parts in advance of really needing them so when I do get some time I already have what I need. Can someone educate me on brake shoe lining, vs woven brake shoe lining?

12-09-2017, 05:51 PM	#11
cas3 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Beverly Kansas Posts: 5,557	Re: Brake lining removal if you are still running the mechanical brakes, the woven material makes quite a difference in good braking. the hard lining is more for the later hydraulic brakes. i have two up and running model A's, one woven, one hard, and it is a big difference. woven linings are a bit more money, so some guys try to save a buck and buy the hard linings, bad idea imho.