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trucker 46 · 12-26-2016, 07:13 PM

Rebuilt and had rotating assy. balanced on my '46 1/2ton Mercury. Have to leave country for several month, before I had chance to install the engine.
Primed the oil system with non detergent motor oil and fill the crankcase with
!0w motor oil up to lifter level.
My question is: is it normal to have oil drip from rear main seal area? (brand new Fel-pro rope seal).

Lawrie · 12-26-2016, 07:29 PM

No
Lawrie

JSeery · 12-26-2016, 07:33 PM

Why are you using 10w oil? How many hours on the engine?

J Witt · 12-26-2016, 07:37 PM

I'm not sure what you mean by "10w oil up to lifter level". Did you fll the engine with oil till it filled up the cam gallery? If I recall correctly, the main seal involves a slinger. Oil filled above the crankshaft level would not be good for running and would leak out when stopped.

It shouldn't have more in it than the high mark on the dipstick, but perhaps I don't understand what you mean.

trucker 46 · 12-26-2016, 09:27 PM

Sorry, I should have said I filled engine up to cam gallery with 10w oil for storage purpose only, since it is going to sit on stand for six month or so. No, I am not going to run the engine when installed in the truck.

JSeery · 12-26-2016, 10:47 PM

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So it was leaking just setting on the engine stand? Has the engine ever been started?

alanwoodieman · 12-26-2016, 10:58 PM

oil level is very high and it will leak out rear main seal. put a drip pan under it and forget about it until you return, drain oil, fill to normal level, pull plugs and let engine roll over to get oil pressure and prelube the engine and then fire it up. we just drained over 6 gallons out of a 8RT engine that had been stored, filled up with fresh oil and fired it up, nothing was stuck!!

trucker 46 · 12-27-2016, 12:10 AM

Ya it is dripping just siting on the engine stand, which surprised me, visioning that I have to pull it apart again. Engine was not started after rebuilt. I was hoping for something what "alanwoodieman" said. Thanks. Ya, in the old country, we always filled rebuilt engines full of 10w oil, if they would be stored, so sorry if I didn't explained my self properly! This is my first flaty so I am not to familiar with rope seals. Didn't think that the oil gets by the seal, but I noticed, there is a spiral cut in to the crank to force the oil back in to pan, when engine is spinning. I also noticed, that when I was priming the oiling system, before installing oil pan (I use chevy 350 oil pump with drill) that there was lots of oil leaking round the base of oil pump, where it meets the block. So I installed "O" ring in first grove at the top of pump, which fixed the problem and gained 7lbs of oil pressure!

G.M. · 12-27-2016, 08:36 AM

4 or 5 qts fills the engine. If you put to much
in it will run out the rear into the trans adaptor
housing. 20/50 works best i9n these engines.
G.M.

Seth Swoboda · 12-27-2016, 09:45 AM

Filling the engine with oil to the cam shaft was excessive even for "storage purposes". Your engine would not have gotten stuck just sitting for a few months. I have let some of my flatheads sit for months with out starting them and I don't fill the engine up with oil.

I would drain out the oil and fill with 4 to 5 quarts as G.M. has suggested.

I like your Mercury pickup. I don't think I have ever seen one in person.

V8COOPMAN · 12-27-2016, 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by trucker 46

Sorry, I should have said I filled engine up to cam gallery with 10w oil for storage purpose only, since it is going to sit on stand for six month or so. No, I am not going to run the engine when installed in the truck.

No need to apologize. It's simply amazing (to me) that so many people here did not understand the gist of your original question. You made your purpose quite clear in your very first post, which also made the circumstances obvious. Mmmm mmm mm! DD

rotorwrench · 12-27-2016, 02:18 PM

I've seen folks fill old engines as full as the oil filler would let them get. Some old savage operators would even fill the water jackets and the intake manifold with old oil. They didn't want any rust in there and they were being stored outside in the weather so they just filled them with old oil.

JSeery · 12-27-2016, 02:23 PM

Very interesting, that is something I have never seen or even heard of.

37 truck · 12-28-2016, 10:25 AM

Just a thought, if stored outside and exposed to the weather, water will displace oil as it is heavier. Not suitable protection.

trucker 46 · 12-28-2016, 07:06 PM

Thanks for a tip "37 truck", I had no intentions and would not even dream to have the engine outside, it is in my house garage but I live in very damp area, especially in winter, and that is when I'll be away.

12-26-2016, 07:13 PM	#1
trucker 46 Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 17	oil leak on 59 A Rebuilt and had rotating assy. balanced on my '46 1/2ton Mercury. Have to leave country for several month, before I had chance to install the engine. Primed the oil system with non detergent motor oil and fill the crankcase with !0w motor oil up to lifter level. My question is: is it normal to have oil drip from rear main seal area? (brand new Fel-pro rope seal).

12-26-2016, 07:29 PM	#2
Lawrie Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Qld, Australia Posts: 4,728	Re: oil leak on 59 A No Lawrie

12-26-2016, 07:33 PM	#3
JSeery Member Emeritus Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Wichita KS Posts: 16,132	Re: oil leak on 59 A Why are you using 10w oil? How many hours on the engine?

12-26-2016, 07:37 PM	#4
J Witt Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Acworth GA Posts: 534	Re: oil leak on 59 A I'm not sure what you mean by "10w oil up to lifter level". Did you fll the engine with oil till it filled up the cam gallery? If I recall correctly, the main seal involves a slinger. Oil filled above the crankshaft level would not be good for running and would leak out when stopped. It shouldn't have more in it than the high mark on the dipstick, but perhaps I don't understand what you mean. __________________ Houston, Tranquility base here. The Eagle has landed.

12-26-2016, 09:27 PM	#5
trucker 46 Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 17	Re: oil leak on 59 A Sorry, I should have said I filled engine up to cam gallery with 10w oil for storage purpose only, since it is going to sit on stand for six month or so. No, I am not going to run the engine when installed in the truck.

12-26-2016, 10:47 PM	#6
JSeery Member Emeritus Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Wichita KS Posts: 16,132	Re: oil leak on 59 A Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) So it was leaking just setting on the engine stand? Has the engine ever been started?

12-26-2016, 10:58 PM	#7
alanwoodieman Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: upstate SC Posts: 3,006	Re: oil leak on 59 A oil level is very high and it will leak out rear main seal. put a drip pan under it and forget about it until you return, drain oil, fill to normal level, pull plugs and let engine roll over to get oil pressure and prelube the engine and then fire it up. we just drained over 6 gallons out of a 8RT engine that had been stored, filled up with fresh oil and fired it up, nothing was stuck!!

12-27-2016, 12:10 AM	#8
trucker 46 Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 17	Re: oil leak on 59 A Ya it is dripping just siting on the engine stand, which surprised me, visioning that I have to pull it apart again. Engine was not started after rebuilt. I was hoping for something what "alanwoodieman" said. Thanks. Ya, in the old country, we always filled rebuilt engines full of 10w oil, if they would be stored, so sorry if I didn't explained my self properly! This is my first flaty so I am not to familiar with rope seals. Didn't think that the oil gets by the seal, but I noticed, there is a spiral cut in to the crank to force the oil back in to pan, when engine is spinning. I also noticed, that when I was priming the oiling system, before installing oil pan (I use chevy 350 oil pump with drill) that there was lots of oil leaking round the base of oil pump, where it meets the block. So I installed "O" ring in first grove at the top of pump, which fixed the problem and gained 7lbs of oil pressure!

12-27-2016, 08:36 AM	#9
G.M. Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Florida and Penna. Posts: 4,471	Re: oil leak on 59 A 4 or 5 qts fills the engine. If you put to much in it will run out the rear into the trans adaptor housing. 20/50 works best i9n these engines. G.M. __________________ www.fordcollector.com

12-27-2016, 09:45 AM	#10
Seth Swoboda Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 4,213	Re: oil leak on 59 A Filling the engine with oil to the cam shaft was excessive even for "storage purposes". Your engine would not have gotten stuck just sitting for a few months. I have let some of my flatheads sit for months with out starting them and I don't fill the engine up with oil. I would drain out the oil and fill with 4 to 5 quarts as G.M. has suggested. I like your Mercury pickup. I don't think I have ever seen one in person. Last edited by Seth Swoboda; 12-27-2016 at 04:49 PM.

12-27-2016, 02:18 PM	#12
rotorwrench Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: San Antonio, Texas Posts: 18,007	Re: oil leak on 59 A I've seen folks fill old engines as full as the oil filler would let them get. Some old savage operators would even fill the water jackets and the intake manifold with old oil. They didn't want any rust in there and they were being stored outside in the weather so they just filled them with old oil.

12-27-2016, 02:23 PM	#13
JSeery Member Emeritus Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Wichita KS Posts: 16,132	Re: oil leak on 59 A Very interesting, that is something I have never seen or even heard of.

12-28-2016, 10:25 AM	#14
37 truck Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Omak, Washington Posts: 277	Re: oil leak on 59 A Just a thought, if stored outside and exposed to the weather, water will displace oil as it is heavier. Not suitable protection.

12-28-2016, 07:06 PM	#15
trucker 46 Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 17	Re: oil leak on 59 A Thanks for a tip "37 truck", I had no intentions and would not even dream to have the engine outside, it is in my house garage but I live in very damp area, especially in winter, and that is when I'll be away.