Early '28 Hood Handles

[Neil Wilson]

The Judging Standards shows that the hood handles through April '28 are the style with a large hole on each side for attachment. Does anyone know if this handle is identical to the Model T hood handle?

[Ron in Quincy]

Neal,

Like you said, the very early hoods used an open rivit for attaching the handles. the T hoods used the same type open rivit; so I believe the answer is yes. Another difference is the hood corners on the very early A hood; the edges are sewed in both directions instead of just on the bottom.

Ron

[d.j. moordigian]

Neil, I second.

[Neil Wilson]

Thanks Ron for the information.

I see that the T vendors sell the open rivet handle. I was thinking of removing the two-rivet handles from an early A hood and replacing with the open-rivet handles.

I don't want to use the reproduction T handle if it is not the same as the early A handle. Anyone know?

My early February '28 AA Truck came with the early hood but with the two-rivet handles. The JS says this was not used until after April '28. Does anyone have an opinion on the conversion date?

[Gary Karr]

Neil, I also believe that the later T hood handles are the same as E-28 handles. I bought some NOS ones at Hershey a few years back from a Model T vendor. they are identical to the ones on my E-28 hood.

[Neil Wilson]

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Does anyone know of a source for the open rivet?

[28RPU]

Just as an aside, I was told that my early 28 hood was correct even though it has one open rivet handle on the drivers side and the later handle on the passengers side. Can anyone confirm this, did they have hoods utilizing both styles in 1928? Mine is a May 1928.

[d.j. moordigian]

Neil,
Shouldn't be that hard to come by, T vendors and Rootlieb makes hoods.
.
28RPU,
They came that way, can't remember which side tho, it's in the JS.
Dudley

[LukeDahlinger]

Originally Posted by Neil Wilson

Does anyone know of a source for the open rivet?

There isn't any rivet. When the handle is made, there's some 'meat' that gets peened over once the handle is installed on the side panel.

I just did a set of Model T hood handles and this is how they were, and originally too for that matter.

This pictured doesn't show the backside, but it gives you an idea.

http://www.modeltford.com/i/c/476403l.jpg

[Ron in Quincy]

I have seen later on mid 28's that have the tapered appearing louvers on passenger side and later hood side on driver side. Have not seen a combination of handles, however, the way Ford used up parts I have no doubt this could have occured at some assemble plants; if there was nothing wrong with the old part I believe they were directed to use up the old parts before using the new part.

I would almost bet that some A somewhere ended up with a round Spindle on one side and the later rectangle spindle on the other ?

Ron

[Bruce,Upstate NY]

I have seen the two different handles on the same early louvered hoods several times.

[Neil Wilson]

Okay everyone,
Thank you for the information. It is great to know that the early handle does not have a separate rivet.

While nobody confirmed that the T and A handles are exactly the same, I get the sense that they are (which makes since).

It would be interesting to know if the JS is correct or not about the handle conversion being "after April" in stated. My early Feb. 28 truck had the later style handles on the early hood. I believe this was the original hood based on the rest on the truck (but no way to verify that).

I guess I will just order a set of handles from Lang's and go from there.

[Steve Plucker]

Originally Posted by Neil Wilson

Okay everyone,
Thank you for the information. It is great to know that the early handle does not have a separate rivet.

While nobody confirmed that the T and A handles are exactly the same, I get the sense that they are (which makes since).

It would be interesting to know if the JS is correct or not about the handle conversion being "after April" in stated. My early Feb. 28 truck had the later style handles on the early hood. I believe this was the original hood based on the rest on the truck (but no way to verify that).

I guess I will just order a set of handles from Lang's and go from there.

Neil,

If you knew the exact part number of the handle itself, and if the FORD Archives wern't so far away, you just might answer your question.

UPDATE...In viewing the MAFFI site, I see that the Hood Handle has part number A-16624 associated with it. Along with that are several Engineering Information (EI) numbers with dates. The latest date for whatever change was made to the handle happened with EI #6685 on January 19, 1928.

Maybe this is when the change happened but was not implimented until April 1928????

Pluck

[Neil Wilson]

Thanks Pluck for checking. Yes, it would seem that the change occurred as a result of the 1/19/28 engineering release. If that is true, then it would be of interest where the "after April" conversion came from in the JD .

I looked at some of the archive photos I have. The one below is a crop from the 4-24-28 dated photo. It shows the two rivet handle. So, this later handle was use by April 1928. This would make the JS wrong as far as I can figure.

Thanks Ward, I will verify that the Lang handle has the extension. Do you happen to know of a source for original handles?

[LukeDahlinger]

Neil,

The Lang's handles do have the extension. I used a pair of them on a customer car a couple weeks ago. They work well.

[d.j. moordigian]

Neil and Steve,

Would it make a difference, which plant, passenger or commercial ?

Dudley

[Charles Reese]

My notes show 2 different dates: "(Dec’27/Feb’28): 1/4" open hole rivet through the handle (like Model ‘T’) ... some commercial and passenger vehicles continued using, on the left (driver) side only, through June’28." Would it make sense that the stamping production output was higher on the left side panel than the right and that this is just a matter of using up inventory? My Jan '28 open pickup has the open handle on the driver side; rivets on the passenger side.

[d.j. moordigian]

Charles,
That blows my theory, your car is an SFA, correct?

[Steve Plucker]

Originally Posted by d.j. moordigian

Neil and Steve,

Would it make a difference, which plant, passenger or commercial ?

Dudley

I don't think so because both A's and AA's were assembled on the same assembly line in the same assembly plant.

Pluck

[Steve Plucker]

Originally Posted by Neil Wilson

Thanks Pluck for checking. Yes, it would seem that the change occurred as a result of the 1/19/28 engineering release. If that is true, then it would be of interest where the "after April" conversion came from in the JD .

I looked at some of the archive photos I have. The one below is a crop from the 4-24-28 dated photo. It shows the two rivet handle. So, this later handle was use by April 1928. This would make the JS wrong as far as I can figure.

Thanks Ward, I will verify that the Lang handle has the extension. Do you happen to know of a source for original handles?

I doubt there is a paper trail on that but I could be wrong.

Pluck