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Michael Johnson · 03-07-2021, 04:57 PM

Thank you, Mr. Burtz, for your reply post but it was not comprehensive enough to provide me and probably most potential customers with a total dollar amount for a complete running engine after purchasing your engine kit. My engine man gave me the following estimate shown below that includes the price of your engine kit added to the cost of the necessary parts and labor for a complete running engine ready to install, except for the cost of freight to receive your kit.

According to my engine man’s analysis of my engine, he showed me which parts were needed to be replaced and why and I trust his experience and judgement explicitly. Plus, based on comparison with other shops, my engine man’s estimate appears to be in line with most high quality shops in the U.S. and I want it done right. However, now that I know the total amount, I must admit I am somewhat shocked and completely disappointed that the total cost for a complete running engine is much more than I anticipated when including the purchase of your engine kit. The amount will come to a total of near 8000 DOLLARS after adding freight!

Consequently, I now feel that rebuilding my old engine is the best course for me and will serve my needs and not break the bank. I’m speaking for myself of course but I also feel that the average Model A’er will be burdened with an expense that many can’t and won’t afford with the purchase of your engine kit added to the other costs; it’s just too expensive for the majority of the Model A crowd. My opinion.

Best regards,

Michael Johnson

Estimate I got from engine man's description of parts I would need to be "All In"
Quantity Item Description Unit Price Amount

8.00 A6513 VALVE SPRINGS EA. 0.80 6.40

8.00 A6514 VALVE KEEPER 1.75 14.00

1.00 FEL-PRO HEAD GASKET 7013C 30.00

1.00 A6149-020 PISTON RINGS (HASTING).STD 47.75

1.00 A6108-020 PISTONS SET OF 4 .STD 94.00

1.00 A6500SLS ADJ. TAPPETS SINGLE SET 8* 112.00

1.00 A65058 VALVES (STNLS) SET OF 8 63.00

1.00 A6510 VALVE GUIDES SET OF 8 55.00

1.00 A606466HD CHROME MOLLY STUD & NUT SET 40.00

1.00 A6319 RATCHET NUT 12.75

1.00 A6400 FLYWHEEL SHIM PR. 1.50

1.00 A6259 CAMSHAFT NUT 5.50

1.00 A6312A CRANKSHAFT PULLEY (2 PIECES) 30.00

1.00 A6256LS LAMINATED TIMING GEARS STD 76.50

1.00 A6378MB FLYWHEEL HOUSING BLOCK BOLTS 5.25

1.00 A6306 CRANKSHAFT GEAR STEEL 22.00

1.00 A627576 CAMSHAFT THRUST PLUNGER 4.00

1.00 A6763 OIL FILLER PIPE 15.00

1.00 A6766P OIL CAP POWDER COATED BLACK 6.50

1.00 A6023 TIMING PIN 5.00

1.00 A6551 OIL PUMP DRIVE GEAR 24.00

1.00 A6570 LONG SPRING 1.50

1.00 A6648MB OIL PIPE MOUNTING BOLT SET 1.50

1.00 A6730 DRAIN PLUG 3.00

1.00 A6520MB VALVE COVER BOLT SET CAD 2.75

1.00 A6600 OIL PUMP REBUILD KIT 29.00

Quantity Item Description Unit Price Amount

1.00 A6676 OIL PAN BOLTS 4.75

1.00 A6376 FLYWHEEL BOLT 4 PCS 13.00

1.00 A6017MB SIDE COVER BOLT SET 4.75

1.00 A6019MB TIMING COVER BOLT SET 6.75

1.00 A6010H CAST IRON HEAD NEW HI COMP 38LBS 325.00

1.00 B-6250-N CAMSHAFT 456.00

1.00 A6310 OIL SLINGER 3.50

1.00 A6008CLH GASKET SET WITH NO HEAD GASKET 18.00

1.00 A7550 CLUTCH DISC 37.50

1.00 A7600 PILOT BEARING 15.00

1.00 A7609 FLYWHEEL DOWEL RETAINER 2.00

1.00 A8250A WATER OUTLET ON HEAD 1928-29 28.00

1.00 A8255C WATER OUTLET GASKET COPPER 5.00

1.00 A8255MB WATER INLET MOUNT. BOLT SET 3.00

1.00 A9433C MANIFOLD GASKET COPPER 2 PCS 13.00

1.00 A9431 MANIFOLD STUD 4 PCS 4.25

1.00 A9443 STUD WASHERS 4 PCS 4.75

1.00 A9440 GLAND RINGS 4 PCS 2.50

1.00 A9425W INTAKE MANIFOLD DRILLED 87.00

1.00 A9430 EXHAUST MANIFOLD 92.00

1.00 A9430S STEEL MANIFOLD NUTS 4 PCS 1.50

1.00 A12127 DISTRIBUTOR SCREW & LOCK NUT 1.50

1.00 A12249 LOWER SHAFT 3.50

1.00 A8501MB WATER PUMP MOUNTING STUDS SET 2.50

Subtotal 1,878.15

Burtz short block $3950
Burtz flywheel $300
Sealed power 2020Cp x12 $65.88
Federal Mogul 415035 1 $20.00

Engine man's labor to machine and assemble the engine:
Model A to assemble engine $500

Rebuild oil pump $60

Resurface and modify new head $250

Rebuild pressure plate $145

Crack repairs flywheel housing side cover around $100

Wash parts $150

Paint engine $150

Total for Labor $1355

Without knowing what shipping is I arrive at total estimate for parts and labor of:

$7569.03
that is before tax and shipping cost .

03-07-2021, 04:57 PM	#234
Michael Johnson Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2021 Posts: 2	Re: The Terry Burtz 5 main bearing engine blocks are back on track. Thank you, Mr. Burtz, for your reply post but it was not comprehensive enough to provide me and probably most potential customers with a total dollar amount for a complete running engine after purchasing your engine kit. My engine man gave me the following estimate shown below that includes the price of your engine kit added to the cost of the necessary parts and labor for a complete running engine ready to install, except for the cost of freight to receive your kit. According to my engine man’s analysis of my engine, he showed me which parts were needed to be replaced and why and I trust his experience and judgement explicitly. Plus, based on comparison with other shops, my engine man’s estimate appears to be in line with most high quality shops in the U.S. and I want it done right. However, now that I know the total amount, I must admit I am somewhat shocked and completely disappointed that the total cost for a complete running engine is much more than I anticipated when including the purchase of your engine kit. The amount will come to a total of near 8000 DOLLARS after adding freight! Consequently, I now feel that rebuilding my old engine is the best course for me and will serve my needs and not break the bank. I’m speaking for myself of course but I also feel that the average Model A’er will be burdened with an expense that many can’t and won’t afford with the purchase of your engine kit added to the other costs; it’s just too expensive for the majority of the Model A crowd. My opinion. Best regards, Michael Johnson Estimate I got from engine man's description of parts I would need to be "All In" Quantity Item Description Unit Price Amount 8.00 A6513 VALVE SPRINGS EA. 0.80 6.40 8.00 A6514 VALVE KEEPER 1.75 14.00 1.00 FEL-PRO HEAD GASKET 7013C 30.00 1.00 A6149-020 PISTON RINGS (HASTING).STD 47.75 1.00 A6108-020 PISTONS SET OF 4 .STD 94.00 1.00 A6500SLS ADJ. TAPPETS SINGLE SET 8* 112.00 1.00 A65058 VALVES (STNLS) SET OF 8 63.00 1.00 A6510 VALVE GUIDES SET OF 8 55.00 1.00 A606466HD CHROME MOLLY STUD & NUT SET 40.00 1.00 A6319 RATCHET NUT 12.75 1.00 A6400 FLYWHEEL SHIM PR. 1.50 1.00 A6259 CAMSHAFT NUT 5.50 1.00 A6312A CRANKSHAFT PULLEY (2 PIECES) 30.00 1.00 A6256LS LAMINATED TIMING GEARS STD 76.50 1.00 A6378MB FLYWHEEL HOUSING BLOCK BOLTS 5.25 1.00 A6306 CRANKSHAFT GEAR STEEL 22.00 1.00 A627576 CAMSHAFT THRUST PLUNGER 4.00 1.00 A6763 OIL FILLER PIPE 15.00 1.00 A6766P OIL CAP POWDER COATED BLACK 6.50 1.00 A6023 TIMING PIN 5.00 1.00 A6551 OIL PUMP DRIVE GEAR 24.00 1.00 A6570 LONG SPRING 1.50 1.00 A6648MB OIL PIPE MOUNTING BOLT SET 1.50 1.00 A6730 DRAIN PLUG 3.00 1.00 A6520MB VALVE COVER BOLT SET CAD 2.75 1.00 A6600 OIL PUMP REBUILD KIT 29.00 Quantity Item Description Unit Price Amount 1.00 A6676 OIL PAN BOLTS 4.75 1.00 A6376 FLYWHEEL BOLT 4 PCS 13.00 1.00 A6017MB SIDE COVER BOLT SET 4.75 1.00 A6019MB TIMING COVER BOLT SET 6.75 1.00 A6010H CAST IRON HEAD NEW HI COMP 38LBS 325.00 1.00 B-6250-N CAMSHAFT 456.00 1.00 A6310 OIL SLINGER 3.50 1.00 A6008CLH GASKET SET WITH NO HEAD GASKET 18.00 1.00 A7550 CLUTCH DISC 37.50 1.00 A7600 PILOT BEARING 15.00 1.00 A7609 FLYWHEEL DOWEL RETAINER 2.00 1.00 A8250A WATER OUTLET ON HEAD 1928-29 28.00 1.00 A8255C WATER OUTLET GASKET COPPER 5.00 1.00 A8255MB WATER INLET MOUNT. BOLT SET 3.00 1.00 A9433C MANIFOLD GASKET COPPER 2 PCS 13.00 1.00 A9431 MANIFOLD STUD 4 PCS 4.25 1.00 A9443 STUD WASHERS 4 PCS 4.75 1.00 A9440 GLAND RINGS 4 PCS 2.50 1.00 A9425W INTAKE MANIFOLD DRILLED 87.00 1.00 A9430 EXHAUST MANIFOLD 92.00 1.00 A9430S STEEL MANIFOLD NUTS 4 PCS 1.50 1.00 A12127 DISTRIBUTOR SCREW & LOCK NUT 1.50 1.00 A12249 LOWER SHAFT 3.50 1.00 A8501MB WATER PUMP MOUNTING STUDS SET 2.50 Subtotal 1,878.15 Burtz short block $3950 Burtz flywheel $300 Sealed power 2020Cp x12 $65.88 Federal Mogul 415035 1 $20.00 Engine man's labor to machine and assemble the engine: Model A to assemble engine $500 Rebuild oil pump $60 Resurface and modify new head $250 Rebuild pressure plate $145 Crack repairs flywheel housing side cover around $100 Wash parts $150 Paint engine $150 Total for Labor $1355 Without knowing what shipping is I arrive at total estimate for parts and labor of: $7569.03 that is before tax and shipping cost .