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I have the 4181 chart. I wanted to get the gage adapter to do some Lincoln 12 inch shoes which used a fixed anchor. Tried Ammco and all parts for the shoe arcing machines was scrapped when the asbestos dust issue opened up. The chart is about 20 inches tall two sided. Ihave the charts for both the 4140 and 8250 clamps. Send me your email or PM me and I will scan and send to you in an email. NO charge of course.