The Ford Barn

The Ford Barn (https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/index.php)
-   Model A (1928-31) (https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=3)
-   -   Tie Rod rubbing on steering arm (https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7150)

FlatheadTed 07-06-2010 04:07 PM

Tie Rod rubbing on steering arm
 

1 Attachment(s)
What do you thinks going on here ,

2manycars 07-06-2010 04:25 PM

Re: Tie Rod rubbing on steering arm
 

It looks like you have a reversed eye spring on there. If the front spring is weak, or reversed eyes are used, the front axle rides so close to the frame that the drag link can rub the tie rod. The axle is closer to the frame, but the steering box is in the same location, causing the interference.

d.j. moordigian 07-06-2010 04:43 PM

Re: Tie Rod rubbing on steering arm
 

The steering arm, the one that the drag link is tied to, is bent down under. The rest
looks OK.
Sorry about that, Dudley

Bruce of MN 07-06-2010 05:09 PM

Re: Tie Rod rubbing on steering arm
 

Too much driving on the wrong side of the road?

quickchange 07-06-2010 05:27 PM

Re: Tie Rod rubbing on steering arm
 

Ted you going to the meet in Vancover? Derek , from Nelson where the sun always shines.

Mitch//pa 07-06-2010 06:14 PM

Re: Tie Rod rubbing on steering arm
 

if the front spring is weak the rods will rub each other. had 2 cars do that and the spring fixed it

FlatheadTed 07-06-2010 07:43 PM

Re: Tie Rod rubbing on steering arm
 

Thanks for all the answers so far ,No reverse eyes ,
Derick were the sun all ways shines Nelson ,wish I was there (My home town .When is the Vancouver meet ? )
Quote:

Originally Posted by quickchange (Post 40212)
Ted you going to the meet in Vancover? Derek , from Nelson where the sun always shines.


FlatheadTed 07-06-2010 07:48 PM

Re: Tie Rod rubbing on steering arm
 

1 Attachment(s)
Picture 2

d.j. moordigian 07-06-2010 07:56 PM

Re: Tie Rod rubbing on steering arm
 

I also agree about the front spring now, the brake rod is close to the shock, do you
have a pic of the front of the car?

Kahuna 07-06-2010 07:56 PM

Re: Tie Rod rubbing on steering arm
 

Is there a dropped axle on that front end?

Tony S,Fl. 07-06-2010 09:20 PM

Re: Tie Rod rubbing on steering arm
 

The short Pitman Arm might work. Tony

J Franklin 07-06-2010 09:42 PM

Re: Tie Rod rubbing on steering arm
 

Frame sag? The parts that are rubbing are both attached to the spindle arm so the spring would not cause that problem. Bent spindle arm?

Tom Wesenberg 07-06-2010 09:56 PM

Re: Tie Rod rubbing on steering arm
 

Quote:

Originally Posted by J Franklin (Post 40376)
Frame sag? The parts that are rubbing are both attached to the spindle arm so the spring would not cause that problem. Bent spindle arm?

The lower the frame sets due to a weak front spring, the lower the pitman sets and then it will lower the drag link.

Purdy Swoft 07-07-2010 10:25 AM

Re: Tie Rod rubbing on steering arm
 

My bet is a sagging front spring. I've seen a lot of model A's that way. A shortened pitman arm would probably get the drag link off the tie rod but wouldn't help the other problems that a sagging front spring cause. I wouldn't rule out the possibility of the frame sagging at the rear motor mounts, though I have never seen a sagging frame cause the drag link to rub the tie rod.

Roger V 07-07-2010 11:40 AM

Re: Tie Rod rubbing on steering arm
 

I had the tie rod and drag link rub apparently on some bumps due to being close to each other (not in the stationary position). Thought it was the front spring not holding the frame and therefore pitman arm high enough. After replacing the front spring, it still had the same amount of clearance. As mentioned in another string, it turned out to be the rear spring which controlled the lighter front spring. Replaced the rear spring with a new one. Now all is well...............

V4F 07-07-2010 02:00 PM

Re: Tie Rod rubbing on steering arm
 

sagging front spring ................ steve

Dennis/CT 07-07-2010 03:20 PM

Re: Tie Rod rubbing on steering arm
 

Hi Ted,did you change the steering arms? I put rebuilt one's on my car and had the same problem,had to bend the arm up a little.Seems the replacement arm was bent when the rebuilder got it and did'nt notice the bend. Good Luck

Bob A. 07-07-2010 03:54 PM

Re: Tie Rod rubbing on steering arm
 

Check your front spring. I had the same problem, I asked the model A wizard and he told me my front spring was sagging. I took his advise and changed the front spring. Cured the problem.

MikeK 07-07-2010 04:01 PM

Re: Tie Rod rubbing on steering arm
 

[QUOTE=FlatheadTed;40302]Thanks for all the answers so far ,No reverse eyes ,

Ted, OK, some of us are looking at things upside down. Here's the pix you posted. Yesterday 2manycars said he saw a reversed eye spring, and that's what I see too. That's the problem. The bottom leaf should wrap over the top of the upper shackle bolt, not under then over it. That accounts for about an inch of drop. Look at another A spring in a catalog.

If you like where the vehicle sits and want to keep that spring you will need to make a custom drop drag link or elevated tie rod to give at least 1" clearance. The way it is, one good pot hole slam and the tie rod will pop the drag link off of the axle steering arm ball, leaving you with NO STEERING.

http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/e...eeyespring.jpg

RonC 07-07-2010 04:02 PM

Re: Tie Rod rubbing on steering arm
 

common problem. sagging front spring.......


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:15 PM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2026, vBulletin Solutions Inc.