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Shoebox 04-25-2023 08:18 AM

Wide Band A/F Gauge
 

As my '51 Tudor project continues, I'm considering installing an A/F gauge to assist in tuning the new 276 engine with two 97's. I've read some conversation on this here in the past. Just wondering how helpful it really is. I have looked at the gauge offered by Auto Meter, and all of the exhaust parts are new on the shop floor, so welding the bung in the exhaust pipe would be easy. Sorry for rambling, any comments, recommendations most welcome. Thanks.

Ol' Ron 04-25-2023 10:12 AM

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The AF meter is the only way toget the lean mixture to work. The ignition must have more advance to burn the lea mixture, but you still need a rich mixture for acceleration. All this can be done with one of Charlies distributors, and an Edelbrock 500 4 bl/
I was fortunate to ride in Richards Kunc 53 Ht withthe AF meter in my hand and watch the meter in the mid 15's in cruise.22mpg in a 276 l-100 engine. Impresive.
Gramps

Bored&Stroked 04-25-2023 12:08 PM

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I use them for tuning on a variety of vehicles. Having one in the car is a big help - as you can see how it reacts under different load conditions. One thing to be aware of is WHERE you place the bung is important - usually on the upper-side of a pipe - at a slight angle. Think about a 10 - 11 o'clock or 1 - 2 o'clock position.

Also, it is imperative that you have NO exhaust leaks ahead of the O2 sensor - or you'll have the wrong readings. I usually want them 2 - 3 feet back from the exhaust ports.

petehoovie 04-25-2023 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Shoebox (Post 2221515)
As my '51 Tudor project continues, I'm considering installing an A/F gauge to assist in tuning the new 276 engine with two 97's. I've read some conversation on this here in the past. Just wondering how helpful it really is. I have looked at the gauge offered by Auto Meter, and all of the exhaust parts are new on the shop floor, so welding the bung in the exhaust pipe would be easy. Sorry for rambling, any comments, recommendations most welcome. Thanks.

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V8 Bob 04-25-2023 05:32 PM

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I've been looking into A/F meters for awhile and finally decided on an Auometer 3379. It's a basic digital model but has leds in an arc above the numbers that make the readings easier to follow vs chasing an analog needle, imo.

petehoovie 04-25-2023 05:47 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by V8 Bob (Post 2221632)
I've been looking into A/F meters for awhile and finally decided on an Auometer 3379. It's a basic digital model but has leds in an arc above the numbers that make the readings easier to follow vs chasing an analog needle, imo.

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V8 Bob 04-25-2023 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by petehoovie (Post 2221636)


That's the one. :)

Flathead Fever 04-25-2023 06:39 PM

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That is the way to go so you can see exactly what the fuel ratio is under all driving conditions. From now on everything I build will have bung hole in the exhaust with a plug so I can hook one up for fine tuning.

Shoebox 04-25-2023 06:53 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by V8 Bob (Post 2221632)
I've been looking into A/F meters for awhile and finally decided on an Auometer 3379. It's a basic digital model but has leds in an arc above the numbers that make the readings easier to follow vs chasing an analog needle, imo.


YES, that is the one I'm leaning towards.

Shoebox 04-26-2023 08:31 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Bored&Stroked (Post 2221566)
I use them for tuning on a variety of vehicles. Having one in the car is a big help - as you can see how it reacts under different load conditions. One thing to be aware of is WHERE you place the bung is important - usually on the upper-side of a pipe - at a slight angle. Think about a 10 - 11 o'clock or 1 - 2 o'clock position.

Also, it is imperative that you have NO exhaust leaks ahead of the O2 sensor - or you'll have the wrong readings. I usually want them 2 - 3 feet back from the exhaust ports.


On an off topic project I used an Edelbrock Pro Flow FI system and it was then impressed upon me to have NO exhaust leaks and ditto on O2 bung placement. Thanks.

glennpm 04-26-2023 09:00 AM

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From AEM

To prevent collection of liquids between the sensor housing and sensor element during the cold start phase, the installation angle should be inclined at least 10° from horizontal with the electrical connection upwards, see below.

https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/attac...6&d=1682517576

flatjack9 04-26-2023 09:26 AM

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I use an Innovate MTX-L Plus. I have 3 of them and they all have worked well.

flatford8 04-26-2023 09:48 AM

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If you have dual exhaust, do you need two bungs?……Thanks……Mark

Shoebox 04-26-2023 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by flatford8 (Post 2221738)
If you have dual exhaust, do you need two bungs?……Thanks……Mark


No.

Bored&Stroked 04-27-2023 11:04 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by flatford8 (Post 2221738)
If you have dual exhaust, do you need two bungs?……Thanks……Mark

I just move my sensor from one side to the other during tuning - just to validate that they're the same (or very close as they should be).

Nobody needs too many bungholes . . . LOL

flatford8 04-27-2023 01:00 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Bored&Stroked (Post 2222023)
I just move my sensor from one side to the other during tuning - just to validate that they're the same (or very close as they should be).

Nobody needs too many bungholes . . . LOL

Hahaha……that’s funny….Mark


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