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cederholm 01-26-2023 09:05 AM

Coolant???
 

I was reading the installation manual from Vintage Precision's thermostat housing here and they say to not use anti-freeze.

My car is stored in an unheated garage and the thought of running "water-only" scares me.

What are your thoughts?

Thanks!

Ray64 01-26-2023 10:47 AM

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Use antifreeze

AzBob 01-26-2023 10:53 AM

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I installed a Vintage Precision thermostat nearly two years and 4000 miles ago. Have used antifreeze from day one. No problems with foaming etc.



I don't want to be the one who forgot they left water in the system over winter and then find they have cracks in the block when it thaws out.

alexiskai 01-26-2023 10:59 AM

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Their instructions state, "it is generally better not to use antifreeze, it seems to foam easily and blow out of the radiator making a mess everywhere."

... I don't know what their problem was, but antifreeze certainly wasn't causing it. I'd ignore this particular gem.

Ernie Vitucci 01-26-2023 12:41 PM

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Good Morning...I run the Vintage Percision system with 50/50 antifreeze and have for several years...Ernie in Arizona

JayJay 01-26-2023 12:43 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by alexiskai (Post 2199412)
Their instructions state, "it is generally better not to use antifreeze, it seems to foam easily and blow out of the radiator making a mess everywhere."

... I don't know what their problem was, but antifreeze certainly wasn't causing it. I'd ignore this particular gem.

I saw that as well when I installed my VP thermostat housing. Couldn't understand just what that meant, as cars have been running antifreeze for years. So I use antifreeze and the 165 thermostat that VP supplied.

BTW, hats off to VP for excellent customer service. The VP operation is apparently a side to the company's main business, which seems to be heavy fabrication and machining in support of the many oil refineries in the communities surrounding Benicia, CA which is where they're located.

There is one guy (Casey) who "is" Vintage Precision, and he fabricates parts when he can get time on one or more of the machines. (I got the impression talking to him that his dad owns the parent company, and I think the person who answers the telephone is also part of the family). So he doesn't always have stock. I ordered my housing, and it came in, and only then did I realize that I should have also ordered the special $5 spacer they offer to stand off the sensor for my temperature gauge. No problem, a phone call, some mea culpas and I had it in two days, and no shipping charge for the separate mailing (they just popped it into an envelope and sent it out). A truly class act all the way around.

JayJay

Synchro909 01-26-2023 04:45 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JayJay (Post 2199434)
I saw that as well when I installed my VP thermostat housing. Couldn't understand just what that meant, as cars have been running antifreeze for years. So I use antifreeze and the 165 thermostat that VP supplied.

BTW, hats off to VP for excellent customer service. The VP operation is apparently a side to the company's main business, which seems to be heavy fabrication and machining in support of the many oil refineries in the communities surrounding Benicia, CA which is where they're located.

There is one guy (Casey) who "is" Vintage Precision, and he fabricates parts when he can get time on one or more of the machines. (I got the impression talking to him that his dad owns the parent company, and I think the person who answers the telephone is also part of the family). So he doesn't always have stock. I ordered my housing, and it came in, and only then did I realize that I should have also ordered the special $5 spacer they offer to stand off the sensor for my temperature gauge. No problem, a phone call, some mea culpas and I had it in two days, and no shipping charge for the separate mailing (they just popped it into an envelope and sent it out). A truly class act all the way around.

JayJay

I found that too but getting a spacer from VP was not possible, even if I knew they were available. At that time, USPS couldn't get a letter from the US to Australia (nor New Zealand, I think). I couldn't use the gauge I had already fitted in the car. I pondered making a spacer using a collection of fittings but the American threads (NPT) are not so easy to get here. I have since found a supplier but I have also now installed a digital gauge which looks terrible.

alexiskai 01-26-2023 05:07 PM

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I like the way the Aussies chime in on every thread to remind us all not to take parts availability for granted. Like messages from some awful dystopian future (directed by George Miller of course).

GPierce 01-26-2023 07:31 PM

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6 years and 7000 miles on 50:50 antifreeze and thermostat. Have never had to add any water.

cederholm 01-26-2023 08:11 PM

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Thanks guys, that’s what I thought. Appreciate the feedback.

updraught 01-26-2023 09:13 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by alexiskai (Post 2199498)
I like the way the Aussies chime in on every thread to remind us all not to take parts availability for granted. Like messages from some awful dystopian future (directed by George Miller of course).

The future is already here. Some of me mates have been cut off.
https://www.smh.com.au/national/wors...06-p5carn.html

alexiskai 01-26-2023 09:59 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by updraught (Post 2199557)
The future is already here. Some of me mates have been cut off.
https://www.smh.com.au/national/wors...06-p5carn.html


It’s true, we have it so easy stateside with the swap meets and vendors and no biblical plagues.

JayJay 01-27-2023 11:59 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Synchro909 (Post 2199495)
I found that too but getting a spacer from VP was not possible, even if I knew they were available. At that time, USPS couldn't get a letter from the US to Australia (nor New Zealand, I think). I couldn't use the gauge I had already fitted in the car. I pondered making a spacer using a collection of fittings but the American threads (NPOT) are not so easy to get here. I have since found a supplier but I have also now installed a digital gauge which looks terrible.

The spacer is relatively straightforward - 1/2" NPT male to 1/2" NPT female - but it's not something you'd find in a hardware store simply because there is no application for it in conventional plumbing. Relatively easy to make if you have pipe thread taps and dies (and recognizing for our friends across both of the ponds that we here in America continue to go our own way with thread standards), but I don't happen to have a 1/2" pipe thread die (I do have a tap).

When I was talking to Casey at VP on the phone I suggested that he include the adapter in the standard thermostat housing package and just up the price by $5 if he had to. He said that wasn't the first time he had that suggestion would take it into consideration.

JayJay

nkaminar 01-27-2023 12:13 PM

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Water first to test the system and look for leaks. That way, if there is a leak, anti-freeze will not make its way into the engine or onto the garage floor. Then drain the water and use 50-50 antifreeze and water. Use the antifreeze for older vehicles. If you get foaming it can be caused by other chemicals in the system, possibly from cleaning, or the wrong antifreeze.

Synchro909 01-29-2023 04:48 AM

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I guess we are a bit lucky but we have no need to use anti freeze which is just as well. I have been told by more than one radiator shop to never use a glycol based additive in a Model A radiator. They say it attacks the solder and will destroy the radiator from within. They made it quite clear that if glycol was used, the warrantee was void so I never use it.

shew01 01-29-2023 06:03 AM

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I’ve driven the Vintage Precision thermostat housing for about 2 years and about 10,000 miles without issue. I installed it with my new radiator.


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cederholm 01-29-2023 08:59 AM

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Where did you get your radiator?

Quote:

Originally Posted by shew01 (Post 2200130)
I’ve driven the Vintage Precision thermostat housing for about 2 years and about 10,000 miles without issue. I installed it with my new radiator.


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shew01 01-29-2023 10:18 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by cederholm (Post 2200158)
Where did you get your radiator?


Probably Bratton’s. If not Bratton’s, then it was Snyder’s. New radiators are pricey, but the ones from the Model A vendors fit well.


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Ramman 01-29-2023 10:38 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Synchro909 (Post 2200128)
They made it quite clear that if glycol was used, the warrantee was void so I never use it.

So what did they suggest to use? How about guarding against rust and corrosion by using straight water?

Ramman 01-30-2023 10:10 AM

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Plus what is the consensus on which color antifreeze to use for a system that now has an aluminum radiator?


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