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CaliforniaBorn36 05-01-2020 10:40 AM

Noise at higher RPM?
 

I wish some FordBarn members could hear this in person as I know that is the first suggestion I’ll get, but in the meantime, I am trying to figure out what might be causing the noise you will hear in the video toward the end.

I have owned this car since 2012 and this noise is new. As you will hear in the video...

1. it is not constant and only occurs when the engine is spinning at a pretty good RPM.

2. If I am accelerating or decelerating no noise, only during that point in the pedal when you are basically cruising, like everything has no force on it one way or the other.

3. I am not feeling anything in the pedals, steering well, shifter or the seat of my pants

4. I can get this to occur in the driveway, so not driving, just recorded during driving so you can see that everything sounds pretty good up until that speed.

Thoughts? I hate to just drive around at 25 moh for the rest of the time I own this vehicle

BTW, original 1936 21 stud flathead motor


https://youtu.be/UCqc3T87si0

Bill OH 05-01-2020 11:08 AM

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Try removing belt, drive it and listen for squeal. If it goes away, then either the water pumps or generator. Have you greased the pumps or lubed the generator?

Tony, NY 05-01-2020 03:10 PM

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Kinda sounds like spark knock to me.

Lawrie 05-01-2020 05:27 PM

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sounds like a big end bearing.
Lawrie

petehoovie 05-01-2020 05:29 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Lawrie (Post 1882202)
sounds like a big end bearing.
Lawrie


Yup! - The mains....

cadillac512 05-01-2020 05:36 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Lawrie (Post 1882202)
sounds like a big end bearing.
Lawrie




Agreed. And maybe rod bearing noise too for good measure. :(



Terry

JayChicago 05-01-2020 06:31 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by CaliforniaBorn36 (Post 1882030)
If I am accelerating or decelerating no noise, only during that point in the pedal when you are basically cruising, like everything has no force on it one way or the other.

Is main bearings noise typically more noticeable under light load?

drolston 05-01-2020 06:34 PM

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How is the oil pressure holding up. If the mains are that loose, I would be surprised to see over 5 psi at idle or over 25 at speed.

petehoovie 05-01-2020 06:47 PM

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Its time to drain the oil. Check/visually inspect the drained oil for metal particles. Use a magnet to attract any metal particles in the drained oil....

md8810 05-01-2020 07:33 PM

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Had the exact same problem with an 8ba engine. It was suggested that the combination of close piston top to head clearance and the rod bearing "float" under the described driving conditions causes the slightest noise as described. I had the heads domed for slightly more piston clearance. problem solved.
Thanks to Clyde at C&G.
Mark

md8810 05-01-2020 07:37 PM

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I see, original motor, perhaps a carbon removal engine treatment additive might help for a start.

petehoovie 05-01-2020 08:01 PM

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Hopefully the engine is an LB - no Babbitt main bearings....

Lawrie 05-01-2020 09:56 PM

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Well you might be right about the carbon build up.
In the original 33 engine it had a carbon build up on the pistons that hit the heads ,I sounded like it had hammers tied to the crankshaft
Lawrie

earlyride 05-01-2020 10:07 PM

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Wrist pin possibly?

J Franklin 05-01-2020 10:14 PM

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I have had rattles kind of like that just due to engine vibration at certain speeds. I have changed and tightened a bunch of things on the body to get rid of it. This was a model A although, they had more resonant frequencies inherent. I could feel it when I once had a rear main knock. Bad rods usually knock when decelerating.

GEOFFNZ 05-02-2020 01:16 AM

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I agree with others.Sounds like rod big end bearing.

CaliforniaBorn36 05-02-2020 01:20 AM

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Oil pressure 25 lbs at idle about 40 lbs cruising. Engine running between 165 and 180 degrees, so not overheating either.

Thanks for all the input.

ford38v8 05-02-2020 02:02 AM

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I don't think the sky is falling. I think the head mounted water pumps dried out during winter storage. :p

Bursonaw 05-02-2020 07:48 AM

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Are you sure it an engine noise. You can push the clutch in at speed and see if the noise goes away while costing at speed. The noise to me sounds more from inside the car. I had a similar noise and it turned out to be the speedometer. After a little lube it worked fine.


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38coop 05-02-2020 08:00 AM

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I was thinking speedometer too. Noticed it was jumping back and fourth about 5 mph.


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