1953 Ford starter issue I'm putting together a slightly modified Ford engine. I'm having trouble with the bendix grinding against the flywheel..in other words, the gear seems to be binding on the ring gear teeth. The starter was rebuilt, but I actually just replaced the 6 volt starter with a second good starter and I got the same result. I'm assuming the worst, since I can't seem to solve the problem Should I assume that the ring gear is not pushed the whole way onto the flywheel? The weird thing is, the ring gear was never replaced as far as I know and the engine started fine before. Yes, I'm running 12 volts to the six volt starter, and no, the starter shafts aren't bent. I've already spent two weeks trying to track down this issue. Maybe a 12 volt starter for the flathead might help? I hate to keep throwing money away when I can't seem to diagnose the problem. Oh, by the way, the stop on the bendix drive shows fresh marks indicating that it is indeed rubbing somewhere when trying to engage. The engine is tight from the rebuild, but can be turned by hand without too much trouble using my 1/2in drive breaker bar. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks!
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Re: 1953 Ford starter issue First- I understand that automatic starters have a longer shaft. Second is the flywheel a true 8BA unit? Newc
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Re: 1953 Ford starter issue Correct starter plate? Modern Bendix or old style? If its the modern enclosed style replace it with a old style. Just bought a USA made one from Joe's Antique Auto. Van Pelts sells a USA made one as well.
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Re: 1953 Ford starter issue As has been said, make sure you have the correct matching bell bousing with matching starter plate as they all do not install at the same angle. That creates 'meshing" problems with flywheel.
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Re: 1953 Ford starter issue The previous owner assured me that the flywheel is correct and has always been with the engine. The starter has the old style bendix. In fact both starters have the old style drives. I just came in from the garage and noticed that both drives have teeth marks on the starter drive stop The starter mount has always been on this block. I swear if the starter had a thicker mounting plate on the flywheel end this would solve my problem, Is this even possible? Please bear with me....this is my first serious Ford project. I'm building a 1938 Ford half ton pickup with resto-mod changes. This is an honest to goodness old school build . I've spent entire Covid quarantine working on this project. It was meant to keep me sane,,,,but is in fact driving me crazy.
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Re: 1953 Ford starter issue Some photos would help.
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Re: 1953 Ford starter issue Angled starter plate ?
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Don't think that any shim to move the starter away from the mount plate is the answer.
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Re: 1953 Ford starter issue This is not a common problem, so one would have to assume something is not correct. You have tried several starters, so that is most likely not the problem. The original seller can claim about anything, but sounds like it is time to check out what you actually have part by part and ID where the problem is. If it was me, I would start with the flywheel and verify it is the correct one and that the ring gear is seated properly.
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Re: 1953 Ford starter issue In this vein, I'm betting on a mismatch between the starter place and bell housing. In the past, people were notorious for not keeping track of the proper pairs, which during the 8BA era, is very important.
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Re: 1953 Ford starter issue I'm betting on Mr. Tubman. The starter plate angle match with the bell housing is the key.
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Re: 1953 Ford starter issue .
Once again, don't overlook the differences between the early (through 1948) and late (8BA types...1949-'53) FLYWHEELS. As can be seen in the picture, the ring gears sit at different locations fore/aft, which definitely affords a different relationship with starter drive. If you'll look closely, the LATE flywheels have the six clutch-attach bolt holes drilled completely through the flywheel, whereas the EARLY wheels have six BLIND holes....NOT drilled all the way through the wheel. Also note the difference in width (circumferentially) of the two different ring gears. Obviously, the LATE flywheel is on RIGHT in picture! DD https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/attac...2&d=1430414858 |
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Re: 1953 Ford starter issue I'd love to send photos, but until I get one of my grandchildren to help me do this it just won't happen. I've narrowed the problem down to the fact that the starter is indeed nose downward since the mounting plate is wider at that the bottom than the top. I didn't notice this until you forum guys told me what to look for. I wonder how many different angles were used by Ford? This was a running 8ba engine that was sent to a shop to be bored out and rebuilt and it came back this way and never started in the past 8 years. No one to ask how this happened, and the guy I bought it from had no idea something was changed.
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Re: 1953 Ford starter issue This link may help. https://web.archive.org/web/20160318...ellhousing.pdf
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Re: 1953 Ford starter issue Complicated, ain't it. A few years ago, I had a stamped steel Merc bell housing without a starter plate. A couple of weeks watching eBay and "Parts for Sale" ads on here and the "H.A.M.B" and I found what I needed. I paid more for the starter plate than I did for the bellhousing, which is to be expected. For some reason, people back then would save the bell housings but chuck the starter plates.:confused:
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Re: 1953 Ford starter issue Great information....thanks so much for the link. Looks like I have a steel bell housing with an angled starter mount. Now all I have to do, is find the right one!!!!!
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Re: 1953 Ford starter issue I gotta buy printer paper. Newc
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Re: 1953 Ford starter issue the angle starting plate is the easiest one to find.
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