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JD-OHIO 01-27-2021 10:04 AM

12 volt Battery in Battery Box
 

I have a 31 S/W Town Sedan. It's been converted to 12 volts. Is there a 12 volt battery the right size for the original battery box so that the original hold downs can still be used? Anyone have any photos showing how you secured your battery in the original box? A group 25 is not wide enough for the original corner brackets to work.

McMimmcs 01-27-2021 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by JD-OHIO (Post 1978419)
I have a 31 S/W Town Sedan. It's been converted to 12 volts. Is there a 12 volt battery the right size for the original battery box so that the original hold downs can still be used? Anyone have any photos showing how you secured your battery in the original box? A group 25 is not wide enough for the original corner brackets to work.

Just one of the consequences of playing games with Henry’s design.

jrelliott 01-27-2021 10:17 AM

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Made my own hold down. Saw it here on the Forum. It is a curved piece of round steel rod with washers welded to the end to attach to the battery box hold down. Used wooden spacers to position the battery in the box. I believe the battery is a group 24.

Y-Blockhead 01-27-2021 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by JD-OHIO (Post 1978419)
A group 25 is not wide enough for the original corner brackets to work.

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Originally Posted by McMimmcs (Post 1978421)
Just one of the consequences of playing games with Henry’s design.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...c1b8c1be05.jpg

As you can see from this chart the Group 1 6v everyone uses doesn't fit the original size battery box either. The Group 25 12v is the closest I have found... so far.

Ruth 01-27-2021 11:03 AM

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I use the Group 25 12v also.

Group 25
https://www.batteriesplus.com/productdetails/sli25

Group 24
https://www.batteriesplus.com/productdetails/sli24

duke36 01-27-2021 11:13 AM

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The A vendors sell brackets for the Optima batteries if you go that route. Also, check if the batteries are designed for various climate extremes based on inner plate parameters.

CarlG 01-27-2021 02:40 PM

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I had a battery box fabricated that works great for my group 25 battery, For a hold-down, I am using the hold-down from a Ford Bronco II that stretches across the middle of the battery.

ModelAMike1930 01-27-2021 02:50 PM

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I made my own hold down for an optima battery using aluminum stock and pop rivets I am sure you could do the same for a 12volt battery

shew01 01-27-2021 05:11 PM

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I’m still fairly new to the hobby. Battery boxes are add-ons, correct? Is this an actual box of some sort? If so, what is the advantage of using it?

My car just has something like this: https://www.brattons.com/battery-box-support.html


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Bob Bidonde 01-28-2021 12:25 PM

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Here's my homemade hold down for a 12V battery. It's made from a 0.312" diameter steel rod with an oversize hex nut welded to each end of the rod. The finish is POR-15 Chassis Black with an overcoat of Krypton Gloss Black.

Y-Blockhead 01-28-2021 12:37 PM

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Very nice Bob. I am going to fab one similar. One question, why didn't you install it under the battery handle?

Good to see you use the anti-corrosion washers on the battery posts also. A lot of people don't use them. I also have a anti-corrosion pad under the battery. Every little bit helps.

31Tudor 01-28-2021 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by shew01 (Post 1978585)
I’m still fairly new to the hobby. Battery boxes are add-ons, correct? Is this an actual box of some sort? If so, what is the advantage of using it?

My car just has something like this: https://www.brattons.com/battery-box-support.html


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The battery box is not an add on. They came on every Model A made. You have pictured the proper, reproduction battery support that is available from the suppliers. It is made similar to the original.

al's28/33 01-28-2021 08:20 PM

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The standard Group 1 they make today is a bit smaller than the box support and hold-down frame that are made, however if you tighten the frame down secure enough it does not move within that space. Ive not had any issues for 20 years.

shew01 01-28-2021 08:29 PM

12 volt Battery in Battery Box
 

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Originally Posted by 31Tudor (Post 1978913)
The battery box is not an add on. They came on every Model A made. You have pictured the proper, reproduction battery support that is available from the suppliers. It is made similar to the original.


So, am I missing a battery box? By any chance would you have a picture or a web link?


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McMimmcs 01-28-2021 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Bob Bidonde (Post 1978840)
Here's my homemade hold down for a 12V battery. It's made from a 0.312" diameter steel rod with an oversize hex nut welded to each end of the rod. The finish is POR-15 Chassis Black with an overcoat of Krypton Gloss Black.

Very professional looking, fine craftsmanship ! You should market it!

JD-OHIO 01-29-2021 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by McMimmcs (Post 1979014)
Very professional looking, fine craftsmanship ! You should market it!

Yes! x2

31Tudor 01-29-2021 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by shew01 (Post 1978981)
So, am I missing a battery box? By any chance would you have a picture or a web link?


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Sorry, i might not have been real clear. The link that you had to Bratton's showing the battery support is all there is. It is a battery support, so not really a "box". If you have the battery support, that came on every Model A frame produced. The battery just sets down in the support. The original battery fit perfect in the support, new ones now are a little smaller so the original hold down clamps don't work as well.

Gary Kelley 01-29-2021 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by McMimmcs View Post
Very professional looking, fine craftsmanship ! You should market it!

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Originally Posted by JD-OHIO (Post 1979094)
Yes! x2

X3

Bob Bidonde 01-29-2021 12:20 PM

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Y-Blockhead,
I put my homemade support over the battery's carry strap for some added clamp-up. Yes, it looks like sh..t, but it works.

JD-OHIO 01-29-2021 12:37 PM

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I would think since it appears from the members responses that all the new batteries both 6v and 12v don't fit well in the original supports that by now some replacement manufacturer would have modified their supports they make to fit the new size batteries. Seems to me that there would be a demand since it appears that everyone's Model A would have a support that doesn't fit the new size batteries.


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