Engine Knock at 2000 RPM I had my 1930 model A engine rebuilt about 1200 miles ago. It was rebored, babbitt removed and shell bearings installed. I could hear a light knock from the beginning. The engine re-builder claimed all was normal.
Last winter, he agree to re-inspect the engine if I removed it from the frame. He dismantled it and while he had it apart, I had a Synders touring camshaft install and a Snyders 6:1 high compression head installed. The re-builder claimed he could find nothing out of order with his rebuild. The engine seems to sound normal at low RPM but rattles as 2000 RPM is reached. Read a couple threads talking about pistons hitting the head or the head gasket if it protrudes into the bore. Any other ideas? Any way to check pistons hotting head or gasket without removing the head. |
Re: Engine Knock at 2000 RPM Are you positive it is an internal engine noise and not transmitting peripherally?
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Re: Engine Knock at 2000 RPM Odd, I had my engine rebuilt with inserts and it is making a similar noise! I have H/C head and electronic ignition. Builder claims too much advance. I've changed distributor back to points but knock still there. I've given up! Just drive it, and when it breaks, then I'll know what to fix!
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Re: Engine Knock at 2000 RPM I have a Snyders 6.1 head, babbits and drive at 2,300 rpms and no noise.
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Re: Engine Knock at 2000 RPM So - - - is it a knock, or a rattle? Or did it evolve?
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Re: Engine Knock at 2000 RPM It is knock that was there from day one of the overhaul (but fairly quiet). The knock seems to be getting louder at 2000 rpm and above.
Analysis of the oil shows high copper, iron, lead, and tin. |
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Re: Engine Knock at 2000 RPM Knock is only under load and 2000 rpm +. Can not hear knock sitting still and revving the engine with no load. Noise is there in all gears at 2000+.
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Re: Engine Knock at 2000 RPM Aluminum timing gear can make a metallic rattle although I think it most likely starts at lower rpm. Is a motor mount loose or front pulley touching? Take a prybar to lift engine while running.
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Re: Engine Knock at 2000 RPM The only way you get a copper reading on a model a is an engine with insert bearings and one or more of the bearings is coming apart
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Re: Engine Knock at 2000 RPM thats why I like high speed babbit..no thin liner of babbit ...nope,its all babbit..
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Re: Engine Knock at 2000 RPM Will the noise change if you retard the spark ?
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Re: Engine Knock at 2000 RPM I will double check that today, but pretty sure I have done that with no change---will let you know.
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Re: Engine Knock at 2000 RPM If I am reading the #1 post correctly, the knock has been in the engine since it was first rebuilt. Then upon a disassembly and inspection, a high compression head was installed. Since the knock has been there since the rebuilt engine was first completed, I think I would rule out piston interference.
As for the high copper, lead, and tin, ...these are items found in bronze, -and if the thrust bearing on the main was made from Bronze and then clearanced too tightly, this could be the source of those high levels in the oil. Without being able to check clearances with micrometers and indicators, anything we say will just be speculation. Maybe it is one or more bent connecting rods, maybe tappet to bore clearances are excessive, maybe the line-boring operation bedded the crankshaft outside of being truly parallel with the cylinder case or even straight in the centerline. |
Re: Engine Knock at 2000 RPM Trace values of a substance,like the copper component of bronze wont register as a 'hard value' on the spectrometer. Generally a copper 'warning' is from the bearing shell once the babbit is gone.Bronze wear will show as bronze.
Oil samples require rigorous attention to sample collection method as well as a baseline of samples to compare to. |
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Sorry to hear this has happened to you. Did the engine rebuilder ever hear this rattle at 2000 rpm? If no, why not? If yes, what did he say? |
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