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Russ/40 05-27-2021 11:39 AM

5 main block from Tod
 

Not intending any kind of disharmony here, but im curious about the 5 main blocks Tod is producing, and what choices exist for 5 main crankshafts in Tod's block.

With the availability of the Burtz components, including crankshafts, has the possibility of a Burtz crank being installed in a Tod block been looked at?

Or, Tod, do you have a preferred solution for 5 main cranks? Tod, I know your strategy is to leave final machine work up to the purchaser. Does this leave the Burtz crank as a viable option?

Tod 05-27-2021 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Russ/40 (Post 2020739)
Not intending any kind of disharmony here, but im curious about the 5 main blocks Tod is producing, and what choices exist for 5 main crankshafts in Tod's block.

With the availability of the Burtz components, including crankshafts, has the possibility of a Burtz crank being installed in a Tod block been looked at?

Or, Tod, do you have a preferred solution for 5 main cranks? Tod, I know your strategy is to leave final machine work up to the purchaser. Does this leave the Burtz crank as a viable option?


I have 2 crank shafts under way, a 3 main crank for special applications (requested by a builder), and a 5 main for my blocks. But, my main focus will still be 3 main stock-style blocks. I have only done 5 main for people that have a crank already, but more interest, and the ease of making a 5 main crank has me moved in the direction of offering that option.



My time, lately, has been heads (especially the new OHV) and my normal machining, and I have been unusually busy making tooling for one of my foundries.



I am inclined to say that a Burtz crank will not work in my 5 main blocks, but, I do not know for certain.


Because it appears that some are unaware of my 5 main iron blocks, I have posted a couple of pictures of one of them again. This was the very first one, made after several aluminum blocks were made.



Forgive me if I get irked when people think something this easy cannot be made in the USA.



Tod

Model A Ron 05-27-2021 04:19 PM

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[QUOTE=Tod;

Forgive me if I get irked when people think something this easy cannot be made in the USA.



Tod
I know we have the ability to make blocks in this country and I know the Quality of USA Foundry work first hand over China. I work in Supplier Quality and I have actually helped to pull millions of dollars of Foundry work out of China and back into the USA.....justifying it with the cost of poor quality from China.

I am very pleased you are using a foundry hear in the USA and I will support you with my pocket book when I need a new engine for my project. I have one of your High Compression heads and the fact that it's made in the USA was very important to me. In addition the head was free from casting defects and the machining was excellent. I will always pay for Quality and I thank you.

Regards,
Ron

updraught 05-28-2021 03:08 AM

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It would be interesting to see some photos of the OHV when ready.

Tod 05-28-2021 05:50 AM

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It would be interesting to see some photos of the OHV when ready.


I will post video of the first running engine, which will be pretty soon. I think I posted pictures of the first casting already, but, just in case, here are a few. I have iron OHV castings that will be machined and then tested right after the first aluminum prototype is tested. This first aluminum OHV build is slated to be around 7.5:1 compression. When ready for sale, a complete kit will be offered at around $3800.



For what it is worth, I will be offering blocks just for OHV application, which have no ports to deal with.



I also have a new head that is stock looking, but has one of my crow foot chambers and is around 7.25:1. The first 2 are in the hands of people who will be testing them.



Tod

mark180 05-28-2021 11:23 AM

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Cool see this quality of work being done!

The Master Cylinder 05-28-2021 11:50 AM

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It is great to see all these great heads and blocks for the Model A from the different sources.

Model A Ron 05-28-2021 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by mark180 (Post 2021045)
Cool see this quality of work being done!

Quality work on Quality American Made Castings from an American Foundry and Machine Shop. People if we cannot support our American Manufacturing what little we have will all go to China. Prior to 2021 this country was doing all it could to bring jobs and Manufacturing back to America. We need to weather the current storm or all will be lost.

Tod
Please keep us posted on this trend. I am sure many are interested in American Made Engines and your pricing is very reasonable.

Regards,
Ron

deuce5wndw 05-29-2021 07:00 AM

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Well said Ron!!

GeneBob 05-29-2021 10:27 AM

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First of all, Tod, this looks like a fantastic opportunity to keep pushing through. I would MUCH rather buy a block/crank made in the USA than China. Please post a way to get on the list to commit to buying a block as soon as you can.
Second, Ron, do you still have contacts that could bring production of the Burtz block into the USA? Maybe the right contacts given to the right people could make this happen.
From what I hear and read, there seems to be a bigger market for these parts than people think.

Tod 05-29-2021 02:32 PM

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Let's keep in mind what I have said before. I have only made 5 main blocks because I was asked to, and my 5 main activity will be limited to people who want a USA block and crank. My main focus has always been 3 main blocks. Once I get the 5 main blocks I am working on out of the way, I will be concentrating on 3 main production.


As for a list, I believe that a couple hundred 3 main blocks are already spoken for, and some builders have told me they will make an end of searching through piles of blocks hoping to find a usable one. That is not to say that I would not try to fit in someone else, just that 3 main demand appears to be high going by what I am hearing right now.


I will not be taking deposits.


Edit: I added a picture of a 3 main block, a few B heads, and Winfield heads. I will be making about 20 Winfield heads very soon, along with headers, OHV iron castings, iron Thomas heads, and a few more iron 5 main blocks.




Tod

Flathead 05-30-2021 10:21 AM

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Yes, a three main block that would take a B crank would be very tempting. :)

Tod 05-30-2021 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Flathead (Post 2021633)
Yes, a three main block that would take a B crank would be very tempting. :)


My 3 main blocks are designed to accept B cranks.


Tod

Model A Ron 05-30-2021 05:46 PM

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Tod
Do you sell 3 main blocks direct to customers? If so post a link to your page.

Thanks
Ron

Tod 05-30-2021 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Model A Ron (Post 2021762)
Tod
Do you sell 3 main blocks direct to customers? If so post a link to your page.

Thanks
Ron


I do not have a page (yet), and right now I will only be selling to builders, but I don't see why selling direct will not happen when builder demand is being met regularly. I do have a few direct sales to get out of the way but they are exceptions for the time being. Note: All the blocks I have, and am making right now, are already spoken for.



Honestly, since I posted my first running test engine here (a few years ago - yes, years), and other places, and received pretty much no interest at all, I focused on other things, and aspects of my regular business. But, in the past year or so I have had more interest from some builders as I worked on heads, and my regular business.



Tod

4bangerbob 05-30-2021 11:34 PM

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I will post video of the first running engine, which will be pretty soon. I think I posted pictures of the first casting already, but, just in case, here are a few. I have iron OHV castings that will be machined and then tested right after the first aluminum prototype is tested. This first aluminum OHV build is slated to be around 7.5:1 compression. When ready for sale, a complete kit will be offered at around $3800.

I certainly would be interested in your ohv kit and look forward to seeing more information on the kit.

bob

Tod 05-31-2021 05:40 AM

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Originally Posted by 4bangerbob (Post 2021868)
I will post video of the first running engine, which will be pretty soon. I think I posted pictures of the first casting already, but, just in case, here are a few. I have iron OHV castings that will be machined and then tested right after the first aluminum prototype is tested. This first aluminum OHV build is slated to be around 7.5:1 compression. When ready for sale, a complete kit will be offered at around $3800.

I certainly would be interested in your ohv kit and look forward to seeing more information on the kit.

bob


I will post updates here also.


Tod

4bangerbob 05-31-2021 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Tod (Post 2021889)
I will post updates here also.


Tod

Wonderful, I will be watching for it.

Tod 06-01-2021 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by 4bangerbob (Post 2022112)
Wonderful, I will be watching for it.


Are you more interested in iron or aluminum?


Tod

4bangerbob 06-01-2021 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Tod (Post 2022311)
Are you more interested in iron or aluminum?


Tod

Cast Iron or Aluminum would work. Would like a head with hardened exhaust valve seats already installed.

Would be interested to know the diameters of the valves and the ratio of the rocker arms. Appears to be a version of the cragar 2 port, is this correct?

bob


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