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Flysafe 12-04-2014 12:23 PM

Oil pan 59AB photos
 

Hello all,

I have been drawing in 3d Ford Flathead 59AB engine. I need some help please, I'm trying to draw the front of the oil pan without much success, if anyone has the oil pan of the engine 59AB or earlier, which could take some close up pictures of the areas marked in and outside if is possible, would be great.
I've been trying to find the oil pan on the Google but I can not find this model.

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r...ps6c274ded.jpg



Thank you so much.

All the best,
Jorge

Flysafe 12-04-2014 01:07 PM

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Some pictures of the drawing that i have made.

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r...pse56e41e0.jpg


http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r...ps030b6cfb.jpg


http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r...ps71e76985.jpg


http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r...pscf28f4ea.jpg


http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r...ps12fbbf6d.jpg





http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r...ps1b57e0d2.jpg

4tford 12-04-2014 01:25 PM

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awesome work, does that pan have a breather in front? Never seen the slot in the back of one before.

Ross F-1 12-04-2014 01:46 PM

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So, can you print up a new flathead on a 3D printing machine?! Those are excellent drawings!

40Pickup 12-04-2014 02:21 PM

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Incredibly excellent work! All the hours you've put in all the details to determine dimensions. Are you using Inventor, Solidworks or similar? Makes my drawings in AutoCad.

Jorgen

beerayb 12-04-2014 03:13 PM

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Very cool. Ray

zzlegend 12-04-2014 03:16 PM

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Excellent

mfagan 12-04-2014 03:33 PM

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What modeling package are you using?

Great job !!

JM 35 Sedan 12-04-2014 04:14 PM

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Great work on those drawings! If you do any of the early v-8 blocks from '32 to '53, please post them. I would love to download them for my files.
I have a couple pictures of a 59ab oil pan in a multi part for sale ad here in the v8 swap section. You could download those from the ad and enlarge them for small details. I have never seen an oil pan guite like the one in your picture. What was that oil pan removed from? Many features are differentthan than any of our (USA) oil pans from '32 to '48.

This is the only picture of a 59ab oil that I have right now in my tablet files. I am sure I could add some later from my computer files.

Gary in La. 12-04-2014 05:03 PM

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Here is a NOS pan:

Gary in La. 12-04-2014 05:05 PM

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And 2 more:

Gary in La. 12-04-2014 05:36 PM

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AND the inside views :

Elmo Rodge 12-04-2014 07:07 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by 4tford (Post 992087)
awesome work, does that pan have a breather in front? Never seen the slot in the back of one before.

That's a picture of the pan on the motor in my Drop Tank. I cut the slot for access to the convertor bolts. Stop by again and I'll show you. :D Wayno

Flysafe 12-05-2014 07:56 AM

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Hello all,

I wanted to thank you all for your comments and photos from the oil pan.

The photos were what I'd need, thank you so much to Gary in La. and JM 35 Sedan.

I have lots more photos of the parts already made.

Thank you so much.

All the best,
Jorge

Flysafe 12-05-2014 08:02 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by 4tford (Post 992087)
awesome work, does that pan have a breather in front? Never seen the slot in the back of one before.

I got this shot in another forum through Wayno, it took me a photo. Sorry for I can not answer your questions.

Flysafe 12-05-2014 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Ross F-1 (Post 992093)
So, can you print up a new flathead on a 3D printing machine?! Those are excellent drawings!

Ross you're talking about a scale model or a real engine?
If it is a scale model I have been talking with a friend to see the best way to do this.

Flysafe 12-05-2014 08:23 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by 40Pickup (Post 992110)
Incredibly excellent work! All the hours you've put in all the details to determine dimensions. Are you using Inventor, Solidworks or similar? Makes my drawings in AutoCad.

Jorgen

The program I'm using is the Rhinoceros 4, a huge amount of hours but I'm happy with the result.



Quote:

Originally Posted by JM 35 Sedan (Post 992153)
Great work on those drawings! If you do any of the early v-8 blocks from '32 to '53, please post them. I would love to download them for my files.
I have a couple pictures of a 59ab oil pan in a multi part for sale ad here in the v8 swap section. You could download those from the ad and enlarge them for small details. I have never seen an oil pan guite like the one in your picture. What was that oil pan removed from? Many features are differentthan than any of our (USA) oil pans from '32 to '48.

This is the only picture of a 59ab oil that I have right now in my tablet files. I am sure I could add some later from my computer files.

Unfortunately I have nothing done with the block you say v-8 blocks from early '32 to '53


Quote:

Originally Posted by Elmo Rodge (Post 992266)
That's a picture of the pan on the motor in my Drop Tank. I cut the slot for access to the convertor bolts. Stop by again and I'll show you. :D Wayno

Thanks for the explanation Wayno :)

Flysafe 12-09-2014 04:53 PM

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Hello,

I'm drawing the block I'm working on exhaust exits I have a small doubt, I'm facing to block, I see the pulleys, which side is the left and the right?

Thank you so much.

Jorge

V8COOPMAN 12-09-2014 05:17 PM

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If I understand your question correctly, here in this country, we Americans consider the LEFT side of engine to be the same side the steering wheel is on.....the driver's side, or the LEFT side. DD

Bruce Lancaster 12-09-2014 05:26 PM

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In USA mechanics' or parts book speech, left is always the part on USA driver's side no matter where the observer is standing...thus, the left pump is the one on driver's side even though it is on your right when standing at the motor.
This convention allows manuals and people to say "adjust the left breaker set" and always go the correct one! British usage is "off side" and "near side", and I can never remember what they mean...
Pans from '35-48 are essentially interchangeable, but one from an actual 59A will have the large drain plug as in post 11 and a small threaded hole on the casting that holds the dip stick tube for return pipe from filter...this would be plugged on engines without filter.
Earlier pans will have return hole in separate boss forward on pan, earlier still no return provision there at all.
I doubt that Elmo has ever left anything stock!! :)

Mart 12-10-2014 03:48 AM

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Left and right are universally applied and relate to the driver's left and right when sitting in the vehicle facing forward.

I was restoring a Morris Minor and wanted a new "hockey stick", the curved trim piece that fits each side of the grille. A local MM specialist had a complete grille and front end on the wall as a display and I pointed to the grille and said I wanted a right hand hockey stick (meaning the one on the right side of the grille). The assistant had great pleasure telling me that was a LEFT hockey stick. He was right, and it was a lesson learnt for me.

In the UK we drive on the left and the steering wheel is on the right. Locally we refer to the left or kerb side as "Nearside" and the right as "Offside" usually abbreviated to OS or NS. This is normally encountered when the car goes for the MOT* test and the tester advises you the "NS bottom ball joint" has excessive play. Damn!

*MOT Ministry of Transport. Although the Ministry no longer exists, the annual roadworthyness test is still called the MOT test. Interestingly, pre 1960 vehicles are now exempt from the test, which is nice.

Sorry for the rambling.

Mart.

Flysafe 12-10-2014 06:59 AM

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Thank you all for the information :)

Jorge

Flysafe 12-12-2014 11:27 AM

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This is not an easy thing to do.

Russ/40 12-12-2014 12:52 PM

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Your up to it, I know.

Flysafe 12-23-2014 08:43 PM

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Hello all,

Thank you Russ, sorry for I did not say anything earlier but the block wall gave me lot of work.

Some progress in the engine block, it was necessary to rebuild the exhaust outlets, now I will start the block front end.

I wish Merry Christmas to all full health :)

All the best,
Jorge

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r...psd65944be.png

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r...psa7ea6e7d.png

Bottom
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r...ps58bd8273.png

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r...psf11267ac.png

Rocketsled 12-24-2014 02:50 PM

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In Right Hand Drive countries, 'Near Side' is the left, or 'Kerb side', and right is the 'Off Side'

JM 35 Sedan 12-24-2014 04:02 PM

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Very nice work Jorge. It would cool if you could progress this block drawing into the different types of Flathead engines... early 21 stud, 59ab, and 8ba.

Flysafe 12-24-2014 04:45 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JM 35 Sedan (Post 1003872)
Very nice work Jorge. It would cool if you could progress this block drawing into the different types of Flathead engines... early 21 stud, 59ab, and 8ba.


Thank you JM this block it is the 59AB as i live in Portugal I don't have acess a nothing, you see, I meant blocks or blue prints, the 8ba it's similar not equal, I liked to do but so is impossible.

Flysafe 12-24-2014 05:05 PM

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Hello all,

I'd like to ask a favor anyone have any photo of the engine block of the part marked in the picture with the circles in red?

Thank you so much.

All the best,
Jorge

38 coupe 12-25-2014 09:44 PM

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Try the photobucket album that I used to start the engine block thread: http://smg.photobucket.com/user/Fred...?sort=9&page=1

Flysafe 12-26-2014 10:02 AM

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A close up would be great if it possible.
Thank you 38 coupe, some of the photos that you have in your photobucket, I have too.

All the best,
Jorge

VeryTangled 12-26-2014 10:29 AM

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Hi Everyone, Jorge thank you very much for sharing the results of your hard work, it is just beautiful, amazing and so very educational.

One tip I like to give out is to think in relationship to the flywheel when you work on left/right relationships. If you're facing the flywheel then left and right are logical. (If you're facing the timing gear, put your arms out like you're sleepwalking, then cross your arms in front of you and you have L/R figured out again except it's backwards.) This would work the same for the Near Side/Off Side crowd.

Jorge it sounds as if you're collecting photos. None of these are what you've asked for here, and may not even be the engine you're working on, but here are a bunch of cut-away engine shots I took at Don Garlits' Museum of Drag Racing in Ocala Florida. I was there with my Dad and JM and many others for a 'Barners Bash' a few years ago. The engine is identified as a 1934 Ford but some of the info on the sign is possibly not true.

http://s291.photobucket.com/user/Ver...?sort=3&page=1

Again, thanks for sharing, and good luck with your efforts, they're amazing!

Flysafe 12-27-2014 07:59 AM

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Hello VeryTangled thank your for your comments and photos.

It is not what I was looking for I don't need the interior structural or interior of the block, I need a few photos external if possible close up, of the marked areas in my drawings to understand how bend the curves.

Thank you so much to all.

Flysafe 12-29-2014 08:47 AM

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Hello all,

Anyone can give me the dimension of the intake port flow?

Flysafe 12-29-2014 11:28 AM

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Hello all,
One photo of what I've been working, 2d for now, while I do not have all the lines can not leave for the 3D model.

Flysafe 01-01-2015 06:26 PM

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What a mess of lines :)

Flysafe 01-02-2015 10:34 AM

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Hello all,

This section is completed :)

Thank you.

All the best,
Jorge

40Pickup 01-04-2015 03:44 PM

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Hello Jorge, I do not know if you follow this thread,
http://www.fordbarn.com/forum/showthread.php?t=158402
Come to think of you, when I read this thread. So I'm curious how you will do? ....

Jorgen

Flysafe 01-04-2015 06:54 PM

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Thank you Jorgen, I did not know this I will follow.

VeryTangled 01-04-2015 07:02 PM

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Hi Everyone, Jorge, I'm still watching. Thank you for sharing your hard work with us!


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