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Re: Success with improvements for touring I personally strive for a completely authentic Model A but if someone wants to modify to suit their needs they would still be welcome in our local chapter and get along just fine:)
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Re: Success with improvements for touring Great post tbird.....great ideas indeed. Its a shame people are so defensive.
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Re: Success with improvements for touring I like all A's. The woodie is being slowly restored back to all original from a touring car, since its not a great touring car....too uncomfortable. My Slant, OTOH, is for touring and has E ignition, HC head, counterweighted crank, Stipes 330 cam, overdrive, Winfield carb and manifold and cast iron drums with Teds floaters on the mechanical brakes. Its a great touring car. My AA will be stock to the JS, and my infidel pickup has the dreaded and blasphemous pinto in it.
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Re: Success with improvements for touring "Tube shocks are a cheaper fix than a properly working original shock, but definitely not better. You can't tune the ride quality on a tube shock. You can on an original shock."
I almost always agree with what Brent has to say but that statement must have come from a weak moment because I know he is an ex racer. One thing for sure though, most of the kits are cheaper. I haven't seen one yet that is worth using though. They have taken an existing shock that fits the space available MECHANICALLY and adapted it with little if any consideration given to compression rebound rates suitable for a model A. HOWEVER, tube shocks that are readily available and adaptable to model A's are easily located used on Ebay or many racing websites. These are for sprint cars or midgets. Some are adjustable, all are available in increments of compression and rebound that can be adapted to almost any car that was ever made. Usually a sprint car shock that has been "used up" on the track can be used on the street for at least 20,000 miles of good service. I have done this many times. The ride can be "tuned" to almost anybody's requirements. One big problem here is, most people don't know what is "good" because they haven't tried different compression/rebound rates. The mounting hardware for the model A shock kits that I have seen looks to me like it was designed by a bunch of (expletive deleted). Brent is right on one count, the stock shock is easier to "tune". They sure don't work as good as a race shock though. I have stock shocks on one car and race shocks on another right now so I have tried both. The PROPER tube shocks are FAR superior. |
Re: Success with improvements for touring I have been thinking of some modifications for "touring" that would be nice---a fuel injection/ignition intergrated with knock and mixture control,auto trans, 4 wheel independant suspension with 4 wheel disc brakes, power steering, integrated ac,heat automatic climate control, power heated seat with memory---so if I use the A engine and grille with a motormeter will it still be a model A if some of the other parts come from other cars??
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Re: Success with improvements for touring Just a quick comment about the shocks....
It seems that finding rebuildable OEM Houdaille units is getting more and more difficult, and not always a guaranteed success, and Mr. Stipe may not resume production of his shocks, due to his move and down-sizing... So, while tube shocks may not be "as good as" properly functioning Houdailles, perhaps they are better than no shocks at all ? :confused: |
Re: Success with improvements for touring When touring the problem we have in both clubs I belong to is that a lot of folks have OD and a lot do not therefore on a tour the OD folks want to run 55 mph and those with out OD want to run 40 to 45 mph.
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Well, that'd be pointless. Everybody knows that Model A's have blackwalls, just like Chili has beans... ;) |
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Now, maybe we can convert kidney beans into a Model A fuel, and put corn back on the table.:D:p |
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BLASPHEMY! Everybody knows that chili without beans is merely meat sauce... :D |
Re: Success with improvements for touring Ity funny you compare chili and Model A's....there's about as many ways to cook chili as there are people making it...just like everybody's idea of a Model A might be different.
Bowls of chili and Model A's...there are no bad ones, but some are better than the others.:D |
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That's exactly why I made that comparison. ;) Now, if we could just do something about those delusional people running around thinking their meat sauce is actually chili... :rolleyes: :D |
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You can make your chili anyway you want. You don't have to add anything specific to make it better but you can experiment. If you want to enter a chili cook off you have to follow their rules, different rules for different cook-offs. The international chili society has no beans, but a local one may allow it. The most important person to please is the person making the chili.;) |
Re: Success with improvements for touring I also have made some changes to my 30 coupe , Just dropped in a T-5. I have 16 inch tires . the rest of the coupe is original. It's easier on the car and me . And in todays traffic It's a lot safer. Sure is nice to down shift here in these West Virginia mountains instead of riding the brakes. But on the other hand to each his own. And one other thing , better gas mileage, and at todays gas prices that's a real plus. :D
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Re: Success with improvements for touring I was thinking someone needs to make a planet gear system (overdrive) that would fit inside the bell housing. That way the car would look stock, and the speedometer would always be accurate.
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Re: Success with improvements for touring I'm relatively new to this hobby and appreciate these conversations. I enjoy hearing both sides of the debate, although not so much the tension it creates.
When I have my car out around town I often find myself in conversations with complete strangers. I share what I have learned and it usually ends up being a fun history lesson for them. It's a great opportunity to keep people both young and old connected to our past. I support anything someone does that keeps one of these cars out of a barn and puts it out on the road for everyone to enjoy. It's human nature to stick to what works as much as it is to tinker and explore. I would hope that if we all met face to face we could shake each other's hand and appreciate that we all share a common interest. I wish some of these threads displayed that a little more. Happy driving everyone! -Mike |
Re: Success with improvements for touring I took my first road trip with the truck last weekend. 120 miles to show my 91 year old father. He had a 31 pickup before going in the army in 1941 and it brought back many good memories for him. He snapped the keys up and took off in it! The truck seemed to settle in around 43 mph. I'm not looking for high speeds out the Model A but from a safety standpoint, I was somewhat of a nuisance on the 55 mph state roads. Any suggestions?
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Re: Success with improvements for touring Install an over-drive and you will never drive an A without one,unless you are happy to hold up traffic at 45 or so.As for riding the brakes down a long steep hill,just double -clutch it into 2nd gear and let the engine keep the car at a reasonable speed.It will certainly prolong the life of the brakes.
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Re: Success with improvements for touring I have the F150 conversion. No double clutching! Downshift at any speed. It's wonderful!
BTW, when someone pulled out in front of me last week, I found that my well adjusted mechanical brakes will squeal the tires if you push hard enough. Ron W |
Re: Success with improvements for touring I also have the F150 trans. On the last tour we took, it got over 26 MPG.
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Re: Success with improvements for touring 3.27 ring and pinion or the F150 both seem like good choices for more speed.
Yesterday my neighbor was driving his Army Jeep and pulled onto the shoulder to let faster cars go by. The cop gave him a ticket for driving on the shoulder. |
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Re: Success with improvements for touring You only need to grind about a 1/4 in. in one small area on the cross member and you would never see it. It makes driving a pure pleasure and almost eliminates vibration. I love it!
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Re: Success with improvements for touring Use a kit with AA bellhousing. I did my own and it is close but no cutting of metal. The floor will need to be modified just a little. Other conversions are nice too. Try to find someone with others that you might consider. Ron W
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Re: Success with improvements for touring As a native New Jerseyian, We don't get to meet many Texans here, but I never met one I didn't like! I like your explanation of the situation. While I have made some modifications out of desperation, My only excuse is high cost of maintaining strict adherence to historical standards. This tends to induce a certain mental conflict. I regard these cars as historical atifacts, not playtoys to explore my wilder side with. I'm trying to stick to methods and standards as much as possible. Regards, Terry
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Re: Success with improvements for touring "OK, first off I am in this for all the touring I can get. So if you don't like what I have done, simply put, don't do it. This post is for the benefit of those who have considered these changes for their car but weren't sure about them. And, the Dallas club has a bunch of excellent tours every yr."
"This all boils down to being easier on the car and easier on the driver." tbirdtbird: I appreciate carefully restored stock A's. I also appreciate those who do as you have inorder to make their cars safer and more relaxing for touring. I'm giving you credit for your well thought out mods to your car. The first paragraph explains your intent for the post. Your last sentence also was appropiate and true. I give you credit to have the good sense to know your car's limitations and your common sense operating skills. I personally appreciate your post. You made no attempt to diminish other's way of thinking. I can see that your post could be helpful to some who were weighing the pros and cons of some of the mods. Some of the comments do not give you proper respect for having common sense in what you do. I have some of the mods on my car and you are correct. Some mods are easier on the car and enhance the driving comfort. I hope to meet you on a tour sometime. |
Re: Success with improvements for touring I prefer the quirks and idiosycrasies of my original car. I grew up trusting the original product and would be ashamed of driving a Frankenstein car. Why not put a Pinto engine in it, radial white-wall tires, 12 volt battery, etc., etc., etc. A Model A is a Model A and when you start changing it you loose the experience and fun of the original car.
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Re: Success with improvements for touring Brings to mind the movie Ground Hogs Day..............
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Re: Success with improvements for touring Probably so...A funny coincidence, I had chili for dinner and then I opened this up.:) Happy Thanksgiving!
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Re: Success with improvements for touring I think they are great improvements. I like to tour too, and have done a lot of modifications to make touring easier. Most of which cannot be seen unless you know what you are looking for.
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Re: Success with improvements for touring The roads in the late twenties, early thirties were such that a stock A was more than adequate as a touring car. Too, there was nowhere near the traffic we incur today. I know that there are purists out there that run thousand of miles every summer with stock A's, sometimes on the interstates. My hat's off to those hardy souls. On the other hand, I prefer to equip my A with aftermarket products that make my touring experiences less stressful by MY standards. If we were to strictly adhere to the standards set by Brent and Ryan, this would be one of the most boring sites on the Internet!
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