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racer32 01-13-2014 11:33 AM

Weird engine number: RF4504
 

Maybe it's just newbie ignorance here, but I just brought home this engine that was in a friend of mine's AA truck. What's up with the serial number? Shouldn't it be AA-something? It doesn't look as though the pad has been machined.

MALAK 01-13-2014 11:51 AM

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It was probably a replacement engine and may have come out of some industrial or farm equipment. It may be a ♦ (diamond) block. Ford sold Model A engines for industrial use (without Ford SN's) where the manufacturer of the equipment may or may not have stamped their own SN. Attached is a pic of a Diamond Block I have with a clearly unmolested SN, like yours.

johnbuckley 01-13-2014 11:51 AM

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Nothing to fret about -I bet it has been machined sometime- can you post a picture- the script may give a clue.Many As carry peculiar engine numbers- often the original number was ground down prior to restamping with with whatever Old George felt like when it was rebuilt sometime in the last eighty years.

J Franklin 01-13-2014 12:59 PM

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Big Daddy Roth!

racer32 01-13-2014 01:00 PM

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Forgot to mention...it does have the star stamps before and after the number.

racer32 01-13-2014 01:10 PM

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Hunting USB cable for wife's camera. Will post a pic when I find it.

Bob C 01-13-2014 01:16 PM

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I think it stands for Richmond Ford, see the link.
http://www.fordbarn.com/forum/showthread.php?t=38520

Bob

C4engr 01-13-2014 01:17 PM

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My 31 engine has RF7428.... I was told 40 + years ago that the R indicates the engine was built at the Richmond CA engine plant..

Rog

racer32 01-13-2014 01:31 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob C (Post 802702)
I think it stands for Richmond Ford, see the link.
http://www.fordbarn.com/forum/showthread.php?t=38520

Bob

Just looked at the link. There is a small diamond on the block above the timing cover. 12E6 casing date. So now that the mystery is solved...do I have anything good? Engine is supposed to run, but the head has a long crack in the top.

Tom Wesenberg 01-13-2014 03:50 PM

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Since the head has a freeze crack (darn water:mad:) I would also check the block for cracks in the cooling chambers. Also be sure to clean out the coolant chamber while the head is off. Using water only causes rust and there might be a lot of rust flakes hiding in the rear of the block, as there were in my used engine.:mad:

racer32 01-14-2014 07:06 PM

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Tom, I'll definitely check it if/when I get around to pulling it apart. I'm hoping it's OK, but the freeze damage to the head concerns me. Since the head's toast, is there much hope for a crack-free block?

Joe K 01-14-2014 07:52 PM

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Quite a lot of hope, actually. The usual tendency of these things was to fail the centerline of the head longitudinally. This provided "relief space" and prevented damage to lower parts of the cooling shroud.

You can check it with the head off. Drain coolant. Remove head. Then fill gently (including radiator if you're sure of it) up to the open spaces around the cylinders using an eyedropper towards the end (overstated but you get the idea.)

If the coolant won't stay at the level, then you have a leak somewhere. You may see it on the floor. Or possibly in the oil pan (don't forget the water jacket is two sided.) Best indication is dropping level which you can easily see.

Good luck with this. Even heads can be welded shut - but it's hardly worth the effort. $25 will usually bring you a fine head you can have flattened. Or better go buy the high compression head at Snyders or others.

Joe K

Brother Hesekiel 01-15-2014 12:18 AM

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I have a LB engine, which reportedly stands for Long Beach Ford.

Yes, a diamond engine is desirable: http://pvmac.org/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=23

Tom Wesenberg 01-15-2014 08:13 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by racer32 (Post 803659)
Tom, I'll definitely check it if/when I get around to pulling it apart. I'm hoping it's OK, but the freeze damage to the head concerns me. Since the head's toast, is there much hope for a crack-free block?

Yes, my head was cracked just as Joe described, when I bought my 28, but the block was perfect.:)
I bought a nice looking short block at an auction years ago, but after cleaning it up I found a freeze crack in the valve chamber.:mad:


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