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More preparations today, setting up the wheeling machines, touching up the buck contours and sorting thru the tools to be used. The Porsche US racing team is located in Rock Hill, and we took a look at the race shop this afternoon. Jim Hery and Peter Tommasini getting ready for the morning influx of students. I have moved the speedster out of the shop as I intend to gather as much info as possible about the wheeling machines and the Bugatti fenders. The bucks shown are for the Bugatti front and rear fenders, the headlight bucket and two speedster bucks, one for the nose and one for the cowl section. There are two Fordbarners that will be in attendance. One is working on a cowl and the other an unknown project at this time. I have a two door door skin that I want to build.
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Re: Peter Tommasini metal shaping class with two Fordbarn members is about to begin Out in Hershey this year, I came across a guy named Langley or something,From Ohio (IIRC) who did classic parts reproduction and he had a masterpiece. The part was a front fender for a 1938 Horch. It was a rather large fender made up of 10 panels. And with it was the "Gauge" that was a plywood mockup reminiscent of a layout of the pattern of a ship's hull profile. The welding (TIG) on the fender was excellent, in fact, everything was excellent. I realize this doesn't have much relevance to what you're doing, but it was great to see a young guy doing such beautiful work.
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Re: Peter Tommasini metal shaping class with two Fordbarn members is about to begin Terry, that is the purpose of classes like this. It is an ongoing effort to pass on the age old tradition of panel beating. There are a number of both young and 'newbies' that attend these Peter Tommasini classes. I think the 'gauges' that you speak of are similar to the wooden bucks seen in the pictures above. They are a pattern to which you fit individual panels to make the finished product. For these aluminum Bugatti panels and the Model A parts as well, we will be gas welding the panels together. It is generally thought that the gas/torch welding produces a more malleable joint and that makes it more usable in the wheeling machines and hammering applications that do away with the cracking and fracturing of the welds. Peters entire program is built around the fact that all that is actually needed to do metal shaping is an English wheel, a wooden stump and a selection of hammers and dollies.
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Re: Peter Tommasini metal shaping class with two Fordbarn members is about to begin Is there really a demand to reproduce your own Model A Ford parts ? Wayne.
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More pictures - The first day of class. Peter's mastery of the simple and obvious makes learning a pleasure. His knowledge of English wheel design is obvious in the product he provides. He is true master metal shaper.
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Re: Peter Tommasini metal shaping class with two Fordbarn members is about to begin Will, is that one of Ben's Mechhammers? If so, did it replace your CP planisher?
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Re: Peter Tommasini metal shaping class with two Fordbarn members is about to begin Will, Thanks for the pictures! One was particularly interesting to me. The one where he was resurfacing a hammer. Doesn't seem like much, but it's the only person, except myself, I've seen do that. The reaffirmation is always needed when you're working alone, just by instincts and misapplied skills.
Oh yes. Those wooden "Bucks" are what I called a Gauge in my first post. Terry |
Re: Peter Tommasini metal shaping class with two Fordbarn members is about to begin The repro Model A fenders sold by Snyder's and others come with a caveat "sold as is, require reworking to fit." Doesn't anyone sell new fenders that fit, other than fiberglass??
Is there anyone who does the rework on a regular basis. This isn't something I can do myself and would think there'd be a demand if someone specialized in doing the work. |
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Brent: that Mechammer is on loan from Jimmy Matthews, who purchased the first Tommasini wheeling machine that got that 'ball' rolling. It is an excellent tool, very well made and extremely adaptable and well made.
I have spent the better part of the last three weeks with Peter Tommasini, travelling 7-8 states, attending three of his classes, many, many meals and I find that I am not capable of learning all that he is capable of teaching in that amount of time. Peter is an absolute magician regarding the simple tasks required for metal shaping. He has had 47 years as a master metal craftsman, and up until 4 years ago, did it all with just an English wheel, a stump, a variety of hammers and a brake and bead roller. Amazing. It has become apparent that there are many opinions about how to go about metal shaping, particularly the use of the English wheel, But it has become apparent to me there is one preferred design of wheeling machine, along with the technic using that style machine to achieve RAPID and ACCURATE results. That comment will appear confrontational, but I am willing to back up that statement with my newly discovered perspective. Lots of folks using lots of style wheels, can, and have made many terrific, nice looking panels, will give an argument to that statement, but they have spent un-necessary amounts of time to achieve them. I have been just over whelmed by the amount of time, research and expenditures done to arrive at the current configuration of Peters wheeling machine, and am most appreciative of the time he has allowed me to spend with him. Attachment 292175 Attachment 292176 Attachment 292177 Attachment 292178 Attachment 292179 Attachment 292180 Attachment 292181 Attachment 292183 Attachment 292184 Attachment 292185 Attachment 292186 Attachment 292187 Attachment 292188 Attachment 292189 |
Re: Peter Tommasini metal shaping class with two Fordbarn members is about to begin Will, That stump reminds me of making a patch panel for the right front door of my Town Sedan. Only I was using an old anvil. I had an old anvil with a bad surface and I resurfaced it only I left a depression in one side. This depression was just what I needed to make the the belly/curvature of the patch. It worked like a charm!
Looking at the depression in that stump, I'd say i looks like it was made with the tip of a chainsaw bar. Terry |
Re: Peter Tommasini metal shaping class with two Fordbarn members is about to begin Is he teaching how to make just Model A parts?
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Look here for the how to's to fix them. http://www.modelahouse.com/tech/fender/index.html |
Re: Peter Tommasini metal shaping class with two Fordbarn members is about to begin Terry, the indentation was made from using a ball end router with a tapered and angled fixture made by Jimmy Matthews per Peter Tommasini. The popular round indentation, most commonly seen in the wooden stumps, is apparently a design that has been passed on and on with no apparent good use other than making small bowls. The use of the stump with the open ended configuration is most useful for making shrinking 'tucks' along many shapes and sizes.
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Re: Peter Tommasini metal shaping class with two Fordbarn members is about to begin Will I wish I could have been there this year. It looks like another great weekend. I hope to be able make the redneck roundup though.
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Re: Peter Tommasini metal shaping class with two Fordbarn members is about to begin Great article. Thanks. Unfortunately beyond my expertise but will save the info to pass on to someone in the future who can do the work.
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Here are pictures from todays class (Friday).
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Re: Peter Tommasini metal shaping class with two Fordbarn members is about to begin Thanks to fellow Fordbarners Barry Duckworth from South Carolina and Gary Kelley, from my old home town of Gregory, Michigan. They both seemed to pick up many tricks and I am certain that it will make some things in their Model A restorations some what easier to accomplish, without having to pay some one to do it for them. Thank you guys for attending.
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Gary brought the cowl for his Gordon air compressor for the normal rust repair at the bottom. He also had some other parts he had picked up. The cowl was what I guessed was a commercial cowl, as it had no windshield posts and didnt look like they had been cut off. I thought I had pictures of the top of the cowl, but... I enjoyed talking to Gary about his compressor, as I have only seen pictures before. Another neat piece of history. Sorry about the sideways picture, I dont know why it did that and I dont know how to fix it. |
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First I want to Thank Will for opening up his shop and hosting this class. I learned a lot and would not hesitate to recommend this class to anyone with the slightest interest in sheet metal at any level.
Here are before and after pictures of my compressor cowl corners that we repaired as part of a 'class project'. The right side is not quite done yet. You can see the arc where it is marked to be cut out for the compressor air tank. What really amazed me is that we actually formed these 'patch' panels out of a flat piece of steel right there during the class. |
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