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1930 Ford Canadian Standard Pheaton 35-B Body Colours 4 Attachment(s)
1930 Ford Canadian Standard Pheaton 35-B Body Colours
Restoration Guidelines and Judging Standards, Canadian Model A's Area 13 Sheet Metal May 1930 Closed and Open Passenger Models (as listed in the Ford Motor Company of Canada, Ltd Parts Book)..... There are 2 Green colours listed: Evergreen Opex and Scarab Green. Opex was a registered trade name of Sherwin Williams Many of the 1930 Canadian manufactured Phaetons l have documented are a single colour Green. Prior to this revision of the Standards, we were only referred to the USA manufactured Standards, which many of us realized did not apply. I am thankful for the 2016 Revisions, it confirms a lot of the observations that we as owners and researchers see. However, it also raises a number of questions. My Phaeton, CAT3610 and the sister car to mine here in Fairbanks, CAE95XX predate May 1930 and were both coated with the same Single colour of green. Comparing to the Model A Ford Paint and Finish Guide the colour is most similar to Rock Moss Green. Most of the other Canadian '30 Phaetons I am aware of were also painted a single Green colour.What is the name of this Colour? Do chips exist for these Canadian colours? My finish guide does not contain them. In 2009 Les Pearson in NZ, RHD here, stated in an email to me the following about his Phaeton restoration: "It is the original colour, which was copied from the original paint from the inside of one of the doors. This car was one colour with black fenders. The colour is Kawani Green" Photo attached of Les' excellect book and Beautiful Phaeton, and a couple photos of mine. Darryl in Fairbanks |
Re: 1930 Ford Canadian Standard Pheaton 35-B Body Colours I do not know of any paint chips that are available for the Canadian colours. You may want to check with the Canadian Model A Foundation to find out what information they have. www.cmaff.com
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Hi Darryl,
I have seen that solid dark green on a number of original cars here, that originated from Canada. I am of the opinion that it is Brewster green dark. On another note in the early seventies when was chasing parts for my '30 phaeton, I came across two pairs of rear '30 phaeton doors that had been in storage since 1934. One pair was painted the Rose beige, seal brown, orange stripe combination. The other pair were painted Mount Vernon green with gold stripe. Mount Vernon green is very similar to the Aqua green used on U.S. 400A's. |
Re: 1930 Ford Canadian Standard Pheaton 35-B Body Colours The colours listed in the Canadian section were apparently used in addition to the US colors so your paint may indeed be Brewster Green. Also one of the Canadian service letters (July 1929) mentions that Mandalay Green - a lighter shade of Brewster Green was offered. Perhaps it was carried over into the early 1930 production? I have access to all of the CMAFF documentation but it does not appear that we have actual paint chips.
https://www.cmaff.com/Members_Area/L...0614_img_0.pdf |
Re: 1930 Ford Canadian Standard Pheaton 35-B Body Colours I have a 31 Canadian Std. Roadster that has original paint on the firewall that looks much like Ford Maroon which according to the Judging Standards was not used on the 31 US open cars. Could it be the "Henna Red" listed as a Canadian colour for 31? Has anyone seen this colour and is it similar to Maroon?
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It is not uncommon to find maroon on Canadian built cars, even standard models. I think Steve Becker's Canadian '31 Tudor from Bert's Model A is maroon, but I am happy to be corrected. Henna red, is a real red as per picture of Everett Hessell's sport roadster.
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Here is the Mount Vernon green, I was discussing.
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Re: 1930 Ford Canadian Standard Pheaton 35-B Body Colours Thanks everyone for your replies, I will take another look at Brewster Green. I am pretty sure that I compared all of the green colours. A true comparison will have to wait though until one of the Longest days of the year, rather than one of the shortest.
I had not noticed until l was writing this thread , that there is a gap in the information provided by the Standards, from 1929 production until May 1930. Even then it is a simple list of colours. There is still a lot to be learned about Canadian production evidently. Thanks for mentioning the Canadian Model A Foundation, there is a lot of excellent information available there. Darryl in Fairbanks |
Re: 1930 Ford Canadian Standard Pheaton 35-B Body Colours Darryl, when you are checking colours from chips, cover them with black paper, and cut out a section the size of the chip. It does make a difference to your perception of the colour.
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Re: 1930 Ford Canadian Standard Pheaton 35-B Body Colours Hi Darryl:
I was working on the Canadian Colours today and I have a sample of "Evergreen" that looks like the colour on your car. I have a PPG formula for that colour if your interested. This one only sent to me about a month ago. JP |
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John, great to see have sample of the Evergreen. Is this a sprayed sample using the formula or a colour chip?
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Re: 1930 Ford Canadian Standard Pheaton 35-B Body Colours Hi Bick: The Evergreen came from a guy in British Columbia that had it matched to his car.
I just had the colour made up and haven't had a chance to spray it out yet. I'll post a picture of the colour when I have it sprayed out. JP |
Re: 1930 Ford Canadian Standard Pheaton 35-B Body Colours Thanks John, look forward to seeing it.
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Hello everyone, Dev here from India. We have many Model A in the country, almost all them are Right Hand drive. I assume these to be Canadian Model A.
A friend is restoring a '30 Cabriolet which was thought to be a sports coupe earlier. I seek help from all experts here regarding the correct color for her. please advice. Regards Dev |
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Hi Bick: Here's the info and the colour I scanned but it looks blackinstead of dark green .
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Re: 1930 Ford Canadian Standard Pheaton 35-B Body Colours Thank you, another piece of the puzzle solved!
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Re: 1930 Ford Canadian Standard Pheaton 35-B Body Colours Dey: I looked at your photos with great interest. Yes. That's a 1930 sport coupe. Rather than chopping up those doors to build a make believe cabriolet, why don't you just restore the sport coupe as best you can? Your top support brackets are missing, but you can fabricate something to serve the purpose. If you would start a new thread regarding the restoration of your car, you will get much good advise on how to proceed.
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