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Old Henry:

Let me tell you a story:

There was this major flood, the water was rising the emergency responder went door to door telling every one to leave, they got to this one house the fellow would not leave saying I have left my fate in GOD'S hands ,
He will save me.
The water continued to rise forcing this fellow to retreat to the 2nd floor, again the Emergency responders came this time in a canoe.
They told him Quick get in, He said "NO" I will leave my Fate in GOD'S hands. so the responders left. & the waters continued to rise forcing him to the Roof.
Again the emergency responders came this time in a helicopter this time they dropped down a rescue basket and told him to get in and they would take him to safety, again he said "NO" I will leave my Fate in GOD'S hands.
As the responders left they saw a large wave completely cover the house
sweeping the fellow away to his death,
He went to the pearly gates & he saw GOD, He asked GOD I have lead a good life always trying to do what was rite , always going to church, I put my life in your hands.
I don't understand WHY did you let me Die:::::
GOD responded YOU FOOL I SENT YOU HELP 3 TIMES

The MORAL here is >>>>>>>> HENRY TAKE UP ONE OF THE OFFERS they are all good & sincere ~~~

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Man, That is really nice of Mike (Kube), and KiWinUS to offer up that help Craig. Like I said in a recent post, I really appreciate my Ford Barn friends!!

Kevin

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Henry,
Journals are the bearing surfaces on the crank.
Drop the pan and wiggle each rod cap. The one(s) that wobble are the bad ones. Also look for blueing/blackening discoloration, indicating they're "cooked". If they're cooked, you'll be making new friends at the nearest machine shop, and possibly shopping for a new crank & rods.

Bearings are softer than the surfaces they "bear". They are sacrificial, meaning that they are supposed to wear out instead of the components they protect. Sometimes if you catch them early you can get away with just changing the bearings---- it's not the preferred solution, it's just to get by with some more miles.

There was a YouTube video showing the process, but I can't seem to find it for you.

If you continue to drive it, you could turn repairable parts into scrap metal.

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The no1 and no5 cylinders share a rod bearing, if you still have the original 29A rods with the floating bearings. The engine should be pulled in order to fit the new bearing to the rod and the journal.

I am pretty sure that you have the floating bearings, because you had to remove the wires on the two cylinders to quiet the knock.

I would not continue to run the engine, you may throw a rod and destroy the block.

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I am truly overwhelmed by the sincere offers to help fix my engine.:D Now if I could just find that AWOL Scotty to beam my engine there.

I have sincerely considered the offers including checking on freight charges to ship my engine which would be from $2,000 to $3,000 round trip to and from those who've offered. At least for me, that's quite a bit to add to the repair bill just for transportation. Plus, I'd still have to remove the engine, "crate it up", which I have no idea how to do, then reinstall the engine when I get it back.:(

If that darn Scotty would just get back to his station for a "beaming" I'd do it in a minute. I may still, as a last resort, if this other angle I'm pursuing doesn't work out.

Thanks again for everyone's sincere concern and offers to help.

You guys are the greatest.:):):):):)

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Henry you like to drive. so why don't you rent a truck and haul it yourself. The mechanic you have been using does not seem to be much help.

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Hi Prof.
Call H&H Flatheads
4451 Ramsdell Ave.
La Crescentia, CA.91214
Mike's number is 818 248 2371
Been doing first class work for many years.
Bruce

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i cannot recommend H&H flatheads after my engine builder checked the work that they did to a "99" block that i purchased from H&H. lot of money, sloppy work.
tom

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I had my coupe shipped 1200 miles in an enclosed trailer for $800. Where did you get the $2-3,000 shipping cost? There's gotta be cheaper ways. Anyway, best of luck!

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I've shipped engines all over the USA. Never has one exceeded $475. In fact, of all the cars I've shipped, none of those have exceeded $2000 (round trip).
Send me the entire car and while it's here we can sort out all the other ills.
If you like driving that car how currently is, you'll be like a pig in mud once it is repaired properly!

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I shipped the engine that we raffled off in Gettysburg from Martinsburg WV to Lockport, NY VIA Fastenal, the fastener folks, for $150.00. Cheapest shipping I know of. All I had to do was bolt it to a pallet and they wrapped it with shrink wrap.

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Old Henry -- You've got the help you need - pull that motor now, get it on a crate,
ship via Fastenal (check their website for a local store) to one of the builders
here on the FB. And soon you and Mrs. H will be out on the road. While the motors
out, check your engine and trans mounts, brakes, wiring, etc. Get any issues there
squared away.

Hotcoupe - sorry to hear that things did not work out with H&H. I just spoke with Mike at a recent car show. They did a motor I used in a friends woodie. No issues, motor runs fine. (Brizio's shop uses them).

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I had fastenal.com ship a belly mower for my 1949 Farmall Cub tractor from St Louis to Spokane,WA for $225. Another quote I got was $616. It pays to shop around.
http://www.fastenal.com/web/en/22/th...782!1580556340

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I struck out on all of my attempts to get my engine fixed in my state (my previous builder no longer responded to my emails nor phone messages) so I turned my attention away from Old Henry and got my favorite motorcycle running and insured again and was quite content with driving that with Pepe aboard for the foreseeable future. Then I realized that I was overdue for the monthly trip I take with my dad, who bought the car for $100 in 1959, and how much he enjoyed it and would miss it. So, I was just about to haul the car to Colorado for the cooch to fix it for me as he'd offered. Then, just as I was about to finalize that deal I had the thought to dig out my old Early Ford V8 Club roster and call some members in town to see if there wasn't someone local who did flathead engines. Sure enough, the first guy that answered my call knew just who and I delivered the car to him yesterday and he started to remove the engine today. Hope it works out OK. I expect that it will and I'll have Old Henry back on the road again soon if for nothing else than to take my dad on his monthly trip.

Checked in today and he had the engine out of the car and the oil pan and clutch off. Here's a picture of the oil pan showing the bad news indicators in there:

http://i1059.photobucket.com/albums/...pse119623d.jpg

I just reached under the engine the was hanging on the hoist and grabbed the #1 piston connecting rod end and there was plenty of play in it so that's where I expect we're going to find the wear.

I was also curious about the condition of my flywheel and clutch that had been chattering since I turned the flywheel and replaced the clutch with one from Mac VanPelt just in April, 6,000 miles ago. As you can see, the flywheel is burned again.

http://i1059.photobucket.com/albums/...ps9b3b0fbe.jpg

http://i1059.photobucket.com/albums/...ps20fcaaaf.jpg

And so is the pressure plate.

http://i1059.photobucket.com/albums/...pse9fb34b5.jpg

And the clutch disc is already worn down to the rivets in several places.

http://i1059.photobucket.com/albums/...psf3a8de9a.jpg

So, I'll have the flywheel turned again and am sending the clutch to Fort Wayne Clutch today for replacement. Hope that all of that gets rid of the clutch chatter once and for all. It has been so annoying.

When Paul (who's now working on my engine) gets it on a stand and turned over and the connecting rods removed I'll get some more pictures to share of the actual damage.

Of course, the big question will be, what caused the damage in just 50,000 miles and how to prevent it in the future.

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Not much question what needs to be fixed there! :eek:

That looks to me to be burned oil on the clutch.

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Also, I would think it was more of a pressure plate issue than a clutch plate issue for both chatter and slippage. But, if there is oil getting to the clutch it is going to slip.

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The heat checking on the pressure plate is localized between 6 and 9 o'clock and that leads me to believe that the finger at the 2 o'clock position in the photo was high. I agree that there was likely some oil contaminating that clutch assembly but even without that the clutch would chatter. Those fingers are forged and there is no way to adjust height so the machining had to be spot on, or the PP assembled, checked and disassembled and then subsequent machining or shimming to ensure a quality result for finger height. Fort Wayne might use those fingers again, but set it up right, or they may replace with adjustable levers.
Professor, the best thing you are doing here is using the services of a reputable, trusted automotive machinist to do this rebuild. I was glad to see you "took a pass" on the services of a guy who had volunteered to help. Maybe the cooch could have done the job but the guy you selected came with references. What do they say on the TV commercial? Pay me now or pay me later.

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Craig, how big are the biggest chunks and are they steel or aluminum?

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I would suggest getting an original 9" or 10" (whichever size that setup takes) core pressure plate and clutch disk to send to Fort Wayne for rebuild rather than use the assembly shown here that just came out of the car for the core. Depending on the manufacturers origin of the C&PP shown, Fort Wayne may refuse to rebuilt that core anyway.

Here is a 9" C&PP assembly that i recently had done by Fort Wayne. The quality of their rebuilds is awesome and MADE IN THE USA!