Edsel's Dual-Cowl Phaeton up for Auction
 

Got this in the the daily Hemmings Blog email...
http://blog.hemmings.com/index.php/2...ds-to-auction/

http://images.hemmings.com/wp-conten...lA_01_1500.jpg

-Tim

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It should go back to the Ford Museum with the rest of the family's milestone autos.

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What kind of head lights are those?

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That is the replica if i'm not mistaken, according to Vence Faulter's Ford Garage.
The original is still around but is much changed from its Model A roots.
http://www.fordgarage.com/pages/edselphaeton.htm

(edit) OK, I just finished the Hemmings article, it is the car returned to its original form.
Thanks WTSHNN!

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Similiar, but not matching. I do not know where this gentleman originates from.
http://www.bonhams.com/auctions/19137/lot/70/

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That is a cool car. I like the front bumber- kind of like nerf bars.Those headlights are interesting.

Thanks for posting

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Here are the pics.

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Does that rear cowl glass folded forwards look like a NHTSA nightmare?

/chops into cranium of driver.

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Interesting that it has Ford script on the ammeter.

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i just finishes a story on Deluxe Phaeton for a upcoming mag..Edsel had a lot to do with the 180A. As Larry Hierholzer from Michigan said : EDSEL Ford styling exploits: THE 2 DOOR DELUXE PHAETON 180A ..When you think about it, WHO ELSE out there made a TUDOR PHAETON body style???? Fine story done by Larry in the Model "A" News mag. in May/June 2002.

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http://blog.hemmings.com/wp-content/...lA_01_1000.jpg

Wow. This frame is kinda cool.

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Looks like a repro ammeter, along with the instrument panel, gas gauge nuts & gas gauge.

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I always thought that car was ugly. I would much rather have a standard phaeton for my use. I can say nothing good about Edsels styling on that one. I guess being a common man, I just don't have rich taste.

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I noticed that, too. An apparent repop.

Ed

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O come on... Over all a very,very nice restoration and $$$$$ to boot. I am sure they did not have FINE POINT JUDGING in their mind...If you want to go down the list then the ON / OFF plate for pop-out , late 1931 brake drums. l.o.l...if you were to go over every car at the Henry Ford Museum you will find a lot of repops.

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At least they didnt try to guild the lily by putting WW tires on it.Are those Marchal headlites on it?

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Are those Marchal headlites on it?[/QUOTE]

Refer to post #5 about the headlamps.

Has anyone else noticed the Panhard rod on the front axle? It's mounted to a one-off front spring clamp. I'd like to see more detail shots of that chassis.

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Is the Genny one of those new fangled Alt/gen? I like the panhard bar. Would work well on a larger and heavier A like a Panel/Delivery or my Woodie.

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That is very stylish. It appears Edsel & Ford designer E.T. Gregorie were interested in European Auto styling, culminating in the Model 40 of '33& '34.
Re that chassis pic, besides the Panhard bar on the front, look at what is on the rear & it is not Fords transverse spring!

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and the 1950's Benz in the corner of the picture of the frame--that would also be a sweet ride.

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I think that might be a remnant from the custom treatment when it was made with the 37 - 40 parts as shown here.
http://www.fordgarage.com/pages/edselphaeton.htm

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can't believe their running with a 2 blade fan....l.o.l.

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I love it!!

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I found more chassis pictures, click on the Hemming's link in the first post and then do the same on the Mann's Restoration and Maintenance link found there. Looking at the chassis pictures it's easy to see that the front axle has much more of a radius to it. The deep radius gave a lower mounting point for the spring perches and gave us what may be the very first Model A dropped axle ever! I'm not sure but the perches themselves might be different too, but even if that isn't so look at the brake actuators- they are angled down to correspond with the deeper axle radius. Also, one photo shows the tie rod with a dropped center section to clear the engine and the front wishbone is different right at the yoke where it attaches at the perch.
As far as the rear end goes the Hemming's text explained that the rear axle was narrowed 8 inches (something that I can't see the need for; anybody else?) and mounted on semi-ellipticals as on a AA truck.
Must be loads of other detail changes there too, but I'm not a hard core Model A guy so I don't know.

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Here's that link http://www.mannsrestoration.com/Rest...n/Item159.aspx

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I've always liked the looks of that car ever since I saw a photo in an old Floyd Clymer book back in the 1960's. So glad it is still here and restored. I read some were that Edsel liked the looks of Hispano-Suiza, they used Grebel headlights. Henry had the good taste to admire Alfa-Romeo. Bob

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Reminds me of the big Bentley sixes from the late '20s...

Very nice car, if a little stubby on the Model chassis...

FWIW, Rolls-Royce also used cantilevered leaf springs on the rears of their cars...