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I've been surfing for a long time,verry seldom posting,seems to me there's something missing from the old Ford barn, dont ask me what it is but i have this uneasy feeling Something is missing!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Me too, but it's the only game in town. Enjoy!

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I ditto that guys. It's just not the same old place.

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I agree too,liked the old barn better. To me it was easier to get around on it,but its all we have. ken isidor ct.

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That's an interesting observation. I just mostly lurk also and to me it has quickly settled back to the old ford barn in just a different format.

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was the old place easier to post pictures? this new format with everyone posting pictures of their vehicles in various stages of building or done is killer. as a old mopar guy i can honestly say in the last month i have learned a huge amount about old fords. my 38' isn't stock but the stuff that gets posted is pretty interesting, keep posting tech with pictures.

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Just like your old flathead. You can take your time and clean, measure, align, and straighten and get what you get, OR you can rush and build it dirty and akilter then get what you get.

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I also liked the old 'barn, was very saddened when I learned it was going away, but am more than delighted with what we now have. All these photo's etc are just GREAT. Thanks to Ryan and all the contributors.

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"The Quicker You Let Go Of Old Cheese, The Sooner You Can Enjoy New Cheese."

Who Moved My Cheese? a book by Spencer Johnson, features four characters; two mice, "Sniff" and "Scurry," and two littlepeople, miniature humans in essence, "Hem" and "Haw." They live in a maze, a representation of one's environment, and look for cheese, representative of happiness and success. Initially without cheese, each group, the mice and humans, paired off and traveled the lengthy corridor searching for cheese. One day both groups happen upon a cheese-filled corridor in "Cheese Station C". Content with their find, the humans establish routines around their daily intake of cheese, slowly becoming arrogant in the process.

One day Sniff and Scurry arrive at Cheese Station C to find no cheese left but they are not surprised. Noticing the cheese supply dwindling, they have mentally prepared beforehand for the arduous but inevitable task of finding more cheese. Leaving Cheese Station C behind, they begin their hunt for new cheese together. Later that day, Hem and Haw arrive at Cheese Station C only to find the same thing, no cheese. Angered and annoyed, Hem demands, "Who moved my cheese?" Unprepared, the humans have counted on the cheese supply to be constant. After verifying that the cheese is indeed gone they rant at the unfairness of the situation and both head home hungry. Returning the next day, Hem and Haw find the same cheeseless station. Beginning to realize the situation at hand, Haw proposes a search for new cheese. But Hem is dead set in his victimized mindset and nixes the proposal.

Meanwhile, Sniff and Scurry have found "Cheese Station N", a new supply of cheese. Back at Cheese Station C, Hem and Haw are affected by their lack of cheese and blame each other for their predicament. Hoping to change, Haw again proposes a search for new cheese. However, Hem is comforted by his old routine and also afraid of the unknown. So again he knocks the idea. After many days in denial (including a search for cheese behind the wall of Cheese Station C) the humans remain without cheese. One day, having discovered his debilitating fears, Haw begins to laugh at the situation and stopped taking himself so seriously. Realizing he should simply move on, Haw enters the maze, but not before chiseling "If You Do Not Change, You Can Become Extinct" on the wall of Cheese Station C for his friend to ponder. Still fearful of his trek, Haw jots "What Would You Do If You Weren't Afraid?" on the wall and, after thinking about that, he begins his journey. Still plagued with worry (perhaps he has waited too long to begin his search...), Haw finds some scattered cheese that nourishes him and he is able to continue his search.

Slowly losing his denial, Haw realizes that the cheese has not suddenly disappeared, but has dwindled from continual eating, and that the older cheese was not as tasty and had been moldy. After a letdown, an empty cheese station, Haw begins worrying about the unknown again. Brushing aside his fears, Haw's new mindset allows him to again enjoy life. He has even begun to smile again! He is realizing that "When you move beyond your fear, you feel free." After another empty cheese station, Haw decides to go back for Hem with the few bits of new cheese he has managed to find. Uncompromising, Hem turns away the new cheese, to his friend's dismay.

With knowledge acquired along the way, Haw heads back into the maze. Going still deeper into the maze, impelled by bits of new cheese here and there, Haw leaves a trail of writings on the wall ("The Handwriting On the Wall"). These clarify his own thinking and give him hope that his friend will find aid in them during his search for new cheese. Still traveling, Haw one day comes across Cheese Station N, abundant with cheese, including some varieties that are strange to him, and he realizes he has found what he is looking for. After eating, Haw reflects on his experience. He ponders a return to see his old friend. But Haw decides to let Hem find his own way. Finding the largest wall in Cheese Station N, he writes:

Change Happens
They Keep Moving The Cheese

Anticipate Change
Get Ready For The Cheese To Move

Monitor Change
Smell The Cheese Often So You Know When It Is Getting Old

Adapt To Change Quickly
The Quicker You Let Go Of Old Cheese, The Sooner You Can Enjoy New Cheese

Change
Move With The Cheese

Enjoy Change!
Savor The Adventure And Enjoy The Taste Of New Cheese!

Be Ready To Change Quickly And Enjoy It Again & Again
They Keep Moving The Cheese.

(From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)

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NO!! The new format is much more photo friendly.

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I just like old Fords, enjoy working on them and with their parts, its hard to explain. I would like to gain knowledge from those who have done the work for years, and enjoyed the parts. I hope to share what I know(not much),post some of what Im doing, have done, and encourage others to do the same....

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I agree with what you have said, Vic. This format is easy to post pictures and has many options that we never had before, but the only similarity to the old Barn is the name. This site is very impersonal, it seems to me. But, its all we have now.

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What a great story! It can relate to nearly any situation. I think as we get older it's tougher to change habits we've had for years.

As for the comaraderie, I think I know what some of you mean. How I wish we could sit around the woodstove like when I was a kid, while Dad and his cronies told stories. . . well it ain't like that no more and ain't never gonna be that way again.

Being in the Air Force and working for the Army for most of the last 39 years, I've seen plenty of persons come and go, some never to return while others might only be a click or 2 away. Like it or not, we learn to embrace change, but we don't have to forget the old days & ways.

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I liked and miss the camaraderie on the old 'Barn as well, but the more I work with this new forum software, the more I like it. It was kinda like losing an old friend, or maybe many old friends, but we can't go back now and we should be very thankful that Ryan stepped up and took the Bull by the horns. JMO, JM

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Kind of like walking into a room full of people and you don't know anyone there. I think the new forum has opened the door to people who didn't know Fordbarn existed or really didn't feel quite at home at the HAMB. As we meet these new people, we'll also find more and more of the old familiar names drifting in to visit and get acquanted. It's expanded our knowledge base and known enthusiast base. That's good! As far as getting around in here, just takes some practice. Getting around in the old site took the same thing, practice. Certainly not as hard as finding what you want when shopping in a mall at Xmas

Go ahead, make some new freinds. It's not like we can ever have too many.

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The new Fordbarn format is a million times better in all respects that the old, especially when it come to posting photos. Hat's off to Ryan. The difference , I think, now is that you don't have the frequency of "posts" by the old Fordbarn regulars.

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WE make this site what it is.

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I contacted David in Mass. via E-mail and got his story on why he is not here. Sad.......because like you say......he has a wealth of knowledge and did not hesitate to help others. JM

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The camardarie is of your own making. Lots of people didn't go on the old Fordbarn because of its' format. This is soooo much better. As for David/Mass, he left before the Barn changed.

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Amen, good observation.

I would add that there are other advantages (ala Hoops paste). One of the short comings I've noticed from other sites is that the familiarity that some may miss can unintentionally come across as exclusionary clique-ishness. I wasn't a participant in the old Fordbarn forum, quite frankly hadn't noticed it's existance, only looked at and used the classified feature. I suspect some of the ol' forum members haven't embraced the change and don't come around anymore. Then there are others who are new to the forum feature here who will bring valuable experience and advice. As said by others, give it time, what comes naturally will evolve. I think it's already got a good start. Those who've been involved with starting a forum from scratch would envy the "hit the ground running" nature of the update here.

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I don't miss Shelly giving me a dose of undeserved crap.

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The new barn is great. I think things will level out, my only problem is the posts that keep reappearing on the top. Liked the old way better and also would like it if the read posts would remain marked read. Possible if they changed color, would work for me. I also think some of the old guys from the barn have given up! JMHO Frank pkny

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I do miss Shelly, in my opinion she made the FordBarn a welcom site to go to for Ford Flathead knowledge and general conversation. To me it felt like one big family. I made a lot of good friends, learned a lot, enjoyed hosting several Florida based FordBarn Meets and yes, was chastized by Shelly once or twice and I'm sure I deserved it. Most of us refered to Shelly as "Mom" out of respect for her and the tough job she handled with finess. I am privillaged to call her a friend.

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I've been doing a lot of thinking about this camaraderie business. In spite of the nagging memories of many exchanges on the 'Barn that were more like cat fights in bars, I know what some of you mean.

When I was a kid, my hometown had a "Number Please" phone system. There was no dial on the phone; you just picked up the receiver and the operator said, "Number please." We would give her the number we wanted to call, like 917-J.

Sometimes we didn't know the number so we just told her we wanted to talk to Billy Powell over on the heights. She probably new Esther Powell ... and the phone number without even looking it up. It wasn't a real small town, maybe 20,000 people.

Sometimes you'd be calling a girlfriend. My sister-in-law was a telephone operator and always recognized me on the phone. She'd tease me a lot.

It was hard to cheat on your wife or girlfriend in my hometown because the operators knew everything that was going on. They were also some of the most popular young women and were never short of guys asking them out.

There were also "party lines." Not a heck of a bunch of privacy there.

Lots of camaraderie.

A couple of weeks ago, I was returning from visiting my son and his family out in Montana. As I was boarding the plane in Bozeman, a woman sat down beside me. She was frantically trying to place a cellphone call to her son's hotel to leave him a message. His hotel was in the Czech Republic outside of Prague. She had the hotel's number but not the Czech country "area" code for international calls.

I took my cell phone and called my wife who was at her desk at work back home in Jacksonville. She is the exec assistant to the CEO of a local hospital system; the CEO happened to be on vacation in Rome, she had a list of European country codes on her desk and in 5 seconds we had it.

My seat partner placed the call in time before instructions to discontinue cellphone use was made. We spent the next two hours talking ... camaraderie ... she was an English professor from a small college. NOT my sister-in-law, Marlene, like in the old days, but technology made the link.

And Marlene did not connect me and my son this morning as he drove to work. There was no "Number Please." My son and I had a nice chat ... camaraderie, I guess.

Anyhow, IF there IS something wrong with the camaraderie (don't think there really is), I bet it isn't the communication system ... seems to be going pretty well in this thread anyhow.


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hi vic when you read all the posts on this thread the main thing that comes up is how easy it is to post photos,i know we all like to post photos but as has been said the camaraderie is not there & it will never be there ,i gather you & others have not had personal messages sent to you with s/a remarks ect ect ect it is quite obvious what site these guys are from, the undertone of there messages leaves something to be desired,we have all heard the stories of that site & what they seemed to have got away with ,,however as ol ron said this is the only game in town for the moment at least, trev:):):):)

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The new barn is barely a month along and you expect what was built after 10 years on the old site to be nearly instantaneous here?
As in anything new, there are going to be growing pains. Here there's new members and the old members trying to learn their way around. Almost everyone is learning something new in these early stages.
Also, the on-line aspect of it makes it a bit harder than sitting around a garage or wherever face to face. You have to be a bit more cautious in this instance, at least I am.
Seems to me the only ones who are really hindering the feeling of a growing community and camaraderie here are the ones who are, for lack of better words, bratty and whiny about it.
Why not just look for the positive aspects and try to improve the not so glowing points.
Give it a chance instead of writing it off for all the future.

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Hey Trev, you've got to get out from under that black cloud over your head. Lighten up, man.

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Ive been on both sites, on the other site you pretty much expect no prisoners to be taken on this one you can get lulled in to that. Both are really the same you guys just have cleaner diction. You could never combine the sites, the HAMB motto is modify it hard and this sites motto is stock, Ive seen a few poor souls try to speak out on behalf of saving the stock appeal of a car or two on there, yikes. The old barn never could attract the rod guys and I think that is because of the hambs existence. I liked the old barn but now the cheese is here. And so far its still fresh enough.

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hey we are the same old bunch and it will just take some time to get into a rhythm.

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I have to agree:)

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i think in time everone can enjoy. so far so good like the pictures

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I came to the Ford Barn almost everyday for a lot of years,... I found, and sold some cool stuff here,... I only posted on the forums once in a great while,.... Because to me it was unfamiliar and cumbersome. (I ain't throwing rocks here, it was just unlike any other forum I had been on, and I didn't like it).

I think were just creatures of habit,... we get used to something, and that's what were comfortable with,.... Well, the Ford Barn just went through a growth spell,... some of us like it, others don't and that's understandable. I truly believe if you guys hang in there and continue to give this format a chance,... you will find it much more user friendly,... and streamlined then the Old Ford Barn.

Maybe it's because I'm use to this format,... But for me,..I have a whole lot better feeling of community and camaraderie now,.. then I ever felt before on the Ford Barn,...and believe me,... I gave it a good try over all those years.

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I must say I do like Cheese, most of the time I get provolone, however Cheter is good too. Sometimes I get Monterrey Jack with Jalopinas . I also like cottage cheese on a salad. I feel sorry for youse guys if i ever figger out how to post pictures. I got a million of them. I think that's why Shelly made it difficult to post them
Ol' Ron

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Ol' Ron-your words of wisdom have been invaluable. I'm thinking the pictures would be even better. As someone said " A picture is worth a 1000 words." IMO the picture posting effort on this site doesn't involve a steep learning curve. Go for it!! Looking forward to your next post with photos. Les Williams

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You guys still whinin'?

Trev, are you sure you're not English?

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In my opinion alot of the "banter" went by way of the social groups and PM's. I really don't understand joining a social group that is topic specific. If it has to do with Fords place it on the main boards.

If someone helped you out by answering a question or offering a solution to a problem that was posted on the main board, reply with your respons/thank you on the main board. No need to send the person a PM and take the "banter" private. Common conversation/banter is how everyone gets to know each other. Trust me when I say just from reading guys comments on this board, not comments directed at me, just comments, questions, suggestions, replies, etc, you can tell quite a bit about a person.....good and not so good.;):D

As far as posting photos, it really is quite easy and is as simple as reading the directions and practicing a time or two.

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My computer grandson is graduation this week. Maybe I can get him to show me how to post pictures when he gets time. Tomorrow I'm getting a new printer with a scanner built in, Could be dangerous.