is it real or is it Memorex?
 

currently on BAT- the rare double 6 town car...............


1928 Ford Model A Town Car



guessed sale price?

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LINK

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/19...d-model-a-121/

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I am not the expert but I think the cowl indicates it is an original. Too bad about the upholstery. This car would be a good restoration candidate. I am going to guess it sells for $40,000 but just because of the condition. If it was in better shape it might fetch 6 figures.

Update: Well Brad, below, has set me straight. Like I said, I am not the expert, but he is. In the comment section of BaT it has been found out to be a fake, so I revise my estimate down to $20,000. It is still a nice "tribute" car but will need a lot of work.

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Shame it's halfway across the country. I'd love to have one! Be interesting to see what it goes for!

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Yeah.... if you don't mind driving around in a nice looking, modified Fordor with the front roof cut off!

Note the windshield swing arms, the top front door hinges, the entire shape of the rear outside corners and back of the car, the squared off top corners on the inside rear side window frames, the clock screwed onto the rear compartment header, the missing TC mirror(s), the glued-on(?) cowl band, the missing door check straps and the Fordor door check holes, the location of the windshield wiper motor, the 7 missing dot fasteners over windshield, the missing ashtray/lighter and vanity in the rear armrests, the missing partition locking knob, the missing details of the ceiling recessed area above the drivers seat back, the missing round slot details on the ends of the roof support bar over the windshield, the missing Briggs Body emblem, the shape of the curved end parts of the partition in the passenger compartment, and lots and lots of other smaller details.....

.....my $0.02,
Brad in Maryland



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Thanks Brad , it looked funky to me I’am no expert, rust dirty, patina, someone may have found out decades ago that it was fake and parked it ?! Someone needs to tell people about it at BAT !

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That rear upholstery is really scary.
I still remember driving a real Town Car around the block in San Diego years ago! Thanks again, Pete.

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I knew this thread would get interesting, hence the title.
it still could be lots of fun. most people dont know the difference.


with a little more patina, even more could be fooled. take that nasty alternator off of there and reinstall the power house.

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Thanks Brad. Glad someone who knows the differences between the cars said something. I knew it looked odd, just assumed it was the patina or the pictures.

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This is an older “faithful recreation” of a towncar. Brad touches on many of the telltale signs. The shape of the rear body jumps at you immediately as not right.

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As the Asian lady who sells Gucci and Coach handbags along the sidewalk in NYC says, "Not fake, Replica."

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spdway- too funny!


can I have some pho with my gucci please?

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With a nod to the politically correct vehicle terminology, that "Town Car" is a good example of what could be called a "tribute car".

Brad in Maryland



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my opinion, its looks real to me????

i hate that numbers matching crap that people try to spout off, the serial no. has been ground off and restamped.
that would empty a lot of bank accounts to restore.
OU

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So not a 40K opener? Maybe 16K?


Joe K

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Needs to be put back in the barn.

Enjoy

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This car is as fake as they come. Someone has ground the engine serial number off and re-stamped it. They did a terrible job at that.

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Someone needs to tell people about it at BAT !


I did and am now considered an outcast...............lol

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Not fake, replica! Now thats funny!!!

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It's an alternative fact.

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I'm not an expert on Town Cars...I have judged one of them that I can remember and my area of expertise isn't in the body parts. Does anyone have photos of a real one they can use to compare and contrast the differences?

Asking not to defend this car, but honestly because I don't know.

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Genuine copy of an authentic tribute of a cloned replica factory original likeness of sympathetically and precisely reproduced simulacrum. No others of its exact kind. You will never find another just like it.

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“Lay not up your riches in this world where rust and moths decay.”
Matthew 6:19-20.
Presumably he wasn’t specifically referring to this Model A, but the moths reference was on point.

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Would someone enlighten me as to what "a double 6" means ?

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From the way the owner (seller) responded it doesn't sound like they are a Model A person and the typical "i have a rare car since i looked it up on google". I would hope the winning bidder does his research and makes up his own mind and bids accordingly. It would be a interesting piece to have as a replica, maybe share the history of it being a replica. But never trying to pass off as the real thing.
As rare as the Town car is, I would never just expect on to just show up on BAT without it being noticed beforehand by someone in the Model A community and already snatched up by a serious collector. That is if it was a true Town car.

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steve- the vin was stamped double on the 6 of the block..........


though not clear, I was inferring the rare double die penny of 1955.


key word being "rare" it was satire

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OK, the most obvious aspect of the tribute Town Car on BAT is the entire back end of the body.

Here is the tribute car (note the rounded, typical Fordor shape of the back and corners of the car, in front of the trunk and below the rear window) :
https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/attac...1&d=1769020706

...and here is a genuine Town Car (note the unique, very sharp rear, lower corners which are actually cast aluminum trim parts) and unique very flat back of the car and how the area below the rear window rises much higher and how squared off the rear roof edges are:
https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/attac...1&d=1769035095

Note also the shape of the top hinge on the front door, which on the tribute car, is just a regular Fordor hinge where as on the genuine TC, it has a unique different shape (and is actually a cast/machined aluminum part that extends down the front of the window track/frame).

Note also the correct unique outside rear view mirror on the genuine Town Car in the lower photo.

Brad in Maryland




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I went back through Photos of the Model a Days. I see the different top hinge on the one inside the museum. What about this one that was outside ? It has a hinge like the Replica https://scontent.find2-1.fna.fbcdn.n...Jw&oe=6976ED08

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The last photo, taken at the MAFFI museum at the Gilmore, is of a very rare 1930 Town Car.

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In a way, it's "history."

Someone wanted a town car so bad they were willing to put the time & effort into a "creation." May or may not have known the differences. But they made it "their car."

Good for showing at a car show without explanation other than "Not a commonly seen Ford since by the time of this car the Depression was in full tilt - and those who could afford a livery driver could afford better. "

And yes, given its origins it was NOT commonly seen. No lies.

And, it opens a line of discussion. Discussion is ALWAYS a good thing.

The avatar (see above Left) has variously had a water pump from a Baldwin Gleaner. There is one of these pumps currently for sale on Ebay for about 3x what it will cost you to buy a Ford pump for rebuild. I have left mine on the car at times so people could tell me "THATS NOT THE PUMP THAT SHOULD BE THERE."

My reply - "It works, that qualifies it."

My standards are low - and I enjoy them. Whatever turns you on.

Joe K

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Does anyone have a picture of the rear of an original Town Car for comparison?

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It looks like both photos are the same image?

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Both Model A Town Cars that you reference are genuine. The one inside the museum is from 1929 and the one you photographed outside is from 1930.

The cowls, windshield, and front doors on those are very different and both are correct for their year.

Yes, they have different top front door hinges, but are correct for their year.

The top front door hinges on the tribute car on BAT are standard Fordor hinges. A genuine 1928-1929 Town Car would have the unique top front door hinges like the 1929 car inside the Model A museum.

Here is a close up of the correct front door top hinge on a genuine 1928 Ford Model A Town Car:
https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/attac...1&d=1769025793

Brad in Maryland




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I have a Town Car and am currently working on a Town Car Supplement for the Restoration Guidelines and Judging Standards book. This is not a real Town Car. It is a Fordor that has been converted to a Town Car. Some of the obvious features are:


Front doors have wrong hinges
Front door posts are not aluminum
Front door moulding has two steps, should only have one
Missing mirror.
Windshield frame is incorrect
Windshield should have knob in center of dash, No slide arms on sides
Wiper is on wrong side of windshield
Partition is totally wrong
Front seat is incorrect
Upholstery is wrong
Rear seat is wrong
Top is incorrect and wrong shape
Can not see vanity case or cigar lighter receptacles
Clock is wrong and should be set into partition


Just a few things I could see with a casual look.


Bob

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Those look like the same car/picures.

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Brad, you posted the same photo 2x and not the real one or else I am losing my sight.............

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Here is a back quarter view of an authentic Town Car (from 2008 joint MAFCA/MARC Meet in Dallas). Note the sharp corners in the back and the curved interface between paint and top.

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Just to make your pants wet, there is one disassembled original still in a garage waiting to be discovered. Son doesn't 'need' to sell it yet.

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How much is a genuine Town Car worth these days. And I know you have to have the
buyer for it.