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40 gas tank? I have a drake (or carpenter, not sure but they are probably the same?) tank. It appears to be leaking pretty good where the neck attaches to the tank. This thing is basically new so I’m annoyed. Who makes a good tank? Anyone else have this leaking problem with their aftermarket tank?
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Re: 40 gas tank? If you have a MIG or TIG welder try welding it yourself.
https://metalfixes.com/how-to-weld-a-gas-tank/ OR Send the tank to the vendor back and get a new one. A Fordbarn SEARCH reveals this: https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/searc...2&pp=25&page=2 I don't think the repro tanks are made to fit the OEM 40 Ford gas tank sending unit. |
Re: 40 gas tank? Are you 100% certain the tank is leaking?
The design of these tanks made for common leaks at the filler tube rubber hose connection. This is especially true if the tank was filled up all the way. Before you remove the tank, do yourself a favor and track that leak down with certainty. When I install a tank, I coat the rubber hose with Indian Head Shellac as directed on the bottle. Then I use modern clamps for a few days only replacing them with authentic clamps once the shellac has cured. |
Re: 40 gas tank? "Kube's idea" is excellent. Perhaps it's just a "clamp leak". Double check to make sure.
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Re: 40 gas tank? With a repro tank you may not be concerned about using the original clamps. If the the leak is from the hose, most likely, then use two quality modern clamps spaced about 1/2" or so apart.
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Re: 40 gas tank? I figured it was the rubber hose from the filler tube to the tank as it was rubbing the inner fender metal so I also cut that back. So I replaced the rubber. It still leaked. So then I figured I screwed up the clamps. Nope, still leaks and here I am. I have already pulled the tank. It was easy because my trunk floor has been cut out. I plan to pressurize the tank and then spray the area I think it is with soapy water. Much like finding a hole in a tire. We will see. It almost looks like the neck wasn’t welded where it meets the tank behind a small strengthening piece of metal.
Oh, and after all this, the entire area around the filler neck rubber is dry so I do not think it’s coming from the hose part of it. |
Re: 40 gas tank? Can you post a few photos of the tank and where its leaking?
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Re: 40 gas tank? 19Fordy, welding on a gas tank that has had fuel in it is dangerous, Don't do it.
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Welp, I pressurized the tank and as suspected it seems to be coming from behind this support piece and under the filler neck. Not sure how I’d fix this….
Hard to see but you can see a couple giant bubbles forming in these photos. Next I’ll fill it with water and see if I can see for sure where it is leaking. Attachment 568619 Attachment 568620 Attachment 568621 |
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Re: 40 gas tank? That a 'Tanks' product? Drake mentions that area about his tanks, but 'tanks' have larger capacity. Newc
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Appears to be a Drake tank.Here is a pic of one currently listed on Ebay
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Re: 40 gas tank? It is either Drake or Dennis Carpenter. I do not remember and will have to go back and look at the receipts. Does anyone know if they are the same Tank? Pictures on the websites sure make them look the same.
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Re: 40 gas tank? Check capacity- different I think? newc
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Re: 40 gas tank? Man, oh man, this sucks.
I believe I would strongly consider cleaning this tank out thoroughly and applying a very good grade of sealer. I always thought Drake's advertising was amusing. On one line it states they are "exactly as original" but then goes on to state they have a larger capacity than original and don't accept the authentic sending unit. You know, exact only different. I have had to use his tanks a few times and have been overall pleased. They are wider than the original as well. Oh yeah, "exact as original" only wider. I have heard from numerous folks that they are nearly impossible to install w/o lifting the rear body or cutting the tank (flanges) shorter. |
Re: 40 gas tank? Just looked. It was Dennis carpenter. I wonder if the drake tank is the same manufacture? I do t want to buy and have the same issues!
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Re: 40 gas tank? In 2007 I replaced a rotten fuel tank in a 35 slantback tudor.I had no issues whatsoever with installing it.No lifting the body and it slipped in the chassis easily. I did this again in 2011 in a 36 5W and again no issues.Both were Drake tanks.I didn't care for the battleship gray color and paint them both black .
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Re: 40 gas tank? I prefer SS for a fuel tank, and had Rock Valley custom build the tanks in my '32 and '40. Not cheap, but NO issues.
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Re: 40 gas tank? This morning i woke up and wanted to drive my car but couldn’t (apparently these things need a gas tank to drive more than 25 ft). So, i bought the drake tank. Hoping it’s a different manufacturer than Dennis carpenter. Didn’t want the oversized fuel tanks from tank inc so not many options it seems. We will see.
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Unless Drake improved (read: corrected) his design, you will find the tank a bit too wide to install easily. I'd never had an issue as the bodies were always off while I restored the chassis. The Drake tanks do have a larger capacity than the original. |
Re: 40 gas tank? The good news is my trunk is cut out currently so removing and re installing is a breeze. Haha. I probably just got a “bad” one. Sucks buying parts 3 years in advanced (I had the money then) only to find out after the fact it’s bad and now it’s been too long to file a complaint with the I (Dennis carpenter) don’t actually care department. I do find it strange it was fine for the first year of use (1500 miles) and then just all the sudden shit the bed. I’m not actually convinced my tank is bad yet but the bubbles don’t really lie.
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I have no doubt you are right kube. I just don’t have time for that at the moment.
I just tested the old tank again and now I’m confident it’s leaking under the filler neck where that reinforced piece of metal is. Edit Did a 3rd test. Filled it with water, then plugged all the holes and pressurized it ever so slightly with some air. As suspected, water shooting out under the filler neck like a fire hose. Hard to see in photos but now I’m certain this tank is bad. I love aftermarket parts! Attachment 568751 Attachment 568752 |
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Updating this for future readers. I got the drake tank. They are very similar but ever so different so I’m hoping it’s a different manufacturer. The drake tank has a drake logo embossed on it. Also the corners are slightly different. The photos make the drake tank look bigger but it’s not. Same size and almost identical shape.
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Re: 40 gas tank? My 40 V8 (standard) coupe came to me with truckloads of NOS parts as the previous owner bought the car in 1957 and at that time bought everything he could find from dealerships. I had 2 NOS gas tanks and when I took the old one out it was a bit of a war and installing the NOS one was just as difficult. I would bet a lot of money the tank was installed before the body on the assembly line. Never any damage on this car, 47k miles and still had original waffle tar paper in the tool area. The only car I have ever had that had NO rust and NO dents after taking the body down to bare metal before repainting it CMG. 40 tanks can be a pain unless the body is off.
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Re: 40 gas tank? Accidental duplicate.
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Re: 40 gas tank? Hi All. We have had a lot of questions on our tanks over the years, so we made a quick video highlighting the differences between the Drake-Tank and the competitor's tank. The video is a little dry (it was made by our R&D team), but highlights the major differences. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SXkNkjxojI
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Re: 40 gas tank? Excellent video. Thanks for posting it.
Can't help but wonder who makes the "competitor tank"? Quote:
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Re: 40 gas tank? Why is everyone against the larger Tanks unit?
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Re: 40 gas tank? Not sure if anyone is really against the Tanks Inc unit, but it is not "as original." It works and fits, I have one, but it would not pass a concourse judging. The Tanks Inc unit is not the competitor tank in the video. Tanks Inc doesn't put a drain on their tank or the side bracing.
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Re: 40 gas tank? Like I posted, I had enough trouble installing a NOS 40 Ford gas tank in a never damaged car, I can't imagine the fight would be for one that was larger, unless the body was already off.
Getting the original out was just as difficult. |
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I guess I was lucky. Both my stock OEM 40 tank and my TANKS larger polyethylene tank were installed in my 40 coupe without having to lift body up off frame. Also added a drain plug to the TANKS tank.
The problems with the TANKS tank was that I had to enlarge the hole to allow the stock sending unit to slide in AND also make new mounting screw holes using Nutserts as the TANKS tank does not have the OEM gas tank sending unit screw holes. I don't know if this is true for their metal tanks. Plus, the TANKS plastic tank does not have cage nuts to secure it in place. I had to use toggle bolts. Finally, the TANKS plastic tank does not use gravity feed like the OEM so you have to reroute your fuel line. Given these "problems" I would recommend using an original tank or the aftermarket tank that installs easily and is just like the OEM tank. |
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