1935 Ford pickup question....
 

Hello to all,

I have a 1936 Ford pickup.

I was at a car show this past weekend and a gentleman had a 1935 Ford pickup on display. All indications looked like a 1935 Ford pickup except the doors which had the "raised" place in the door where you can pull the door to with your hand and the doors did not have the removable garnish molding around the windows. He was telling me that the doors were from a 1935 "late model" that had doors like the 1936. Does anybody know if this is true that there was a "late" model 1935 Ford pickup that had doors like a 1936 Ford pickup.

THANK YOU,

Bruce in California

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I visited a door collection yrs ago and he had all of the 35/36 pu type doors. Said they were all '35 ?? Experts anyone?? Newc

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HEY, DON ROGERS: Time for you to chime in here. In the stuff I sent you about 35-36 pickup book was information about 35 Pickup doors. I accounted for , I believe it was, 7 different changes in 35 pickup doors. Look it up in the stuff I sent to you and comment here. Lawson

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I wish that book could have moved forward.. . you fellows put a lot into it as I recall then the Club shot it down??

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Dave Gunnarson's wonderful book on the Model 51 Truck identifies 4 versions of door inner panels. The doors on the pickup and truck should be the same. "Job 1 to March 1935": garnish molding. "March 1935-Mid 1935": three top holes. "Mid 1935-December 1935": five top holes. "December 1935 to October 1936": Panel retainer channel.


I highly recommend his book for both the truck restorer and for the pickup restorer as the cabs share many components.

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That is patently false.

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Thanks for the complements on my book.

Here's the illustration of the four door types for 1935 and 1936 commercial (pickup) and truck. The first three all were introduced in 1935 and only the final version was used in 1936 production. They are interchangeable so it's possible to have any version and any combination installed after production on a 1935 or 1936 model. I've also included a closeup comparison of the door panel attachment details for each type.

If it's too small to read, then you need to purchase a copy of the book from the Early Ford V-8 Club (100% goes to the EFV8 Club and I get nothing from the sales).

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The exact date for the door change over from Type 3 to Type 4 hasn't been documented. It's approximately the date of the 1936 Model year changeover but I would not be surprised if the Type 3 design was used in 1936 production at some assembly plants to use up the inventory nor would I be surprised if the new Type 4 design was introduced before the end of 1935 production. I think some of these details are just lost to history.

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I believe that to be the feeling shared by historians regarding many other running changes that occur close to a model year. One in my own experience that has never been explored to my knowledge, the dropping of the threaded knurled brass cap covering the bottom pushbutton of a starter solenoid: Cap on '37. no cap on '38. My '38 had the earlier style, though I could never determine if it had been original to the car.

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the 36 ford pickup....The quick answer is that the 35 pickup did have both garnish molding doors and the ones without the garnish moldings. They also had both types of front fenders, the ones with closed at the bottom bumper arm holes and the ones that were open at the bottom that you see on 36 and 37 pickups. There were some other differences between early and later 35 pickup cabs that were not as obvious.

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THANK YOU to everyone that has replied back about my '35 Ford pickup door question.

Amazing the knowledge that you all have, very very helpful.

Bruce in California

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X-2 Kube.

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If you want to add a further twist to 1935 pickup and truck doors, I have copy of a Ford drawing from April 1935 providing service instructions on how to drill four additional holes across the top of the door panel of a type 2 door (see attached). This creates a seven holes across the top version which I call type 2A. I came across one of these modified doors (which had no cardboard panel any longer) and it wasn't hard to pick out the four Dealer drilled holes from the three factory punched holes. I guess Ford was really trying to figure out how to secure the top of the panel to the door.

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If you want to add a further twist to 1935 pickup and truck doors, I have copy of a Ford drawing from April 1935 providing service instructions on how to drill four additional holes across the top of the door panel of a type 2 door (see attached). This creates a seven holes across the top version which I call type 2A. I came across one of these modified doors (which had no cardboard panel any longer) and it wasn't hard to pick out the four Dealer drilled holes from the three factory punched holes. I guess Ford was really trying to figure out how to secure the top of the panel to the door.

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HOW SO KUBE ? Evidence?

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Documentation, please.

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Better yet, how about you explain in detail why that book never came to fruition?
I'm gonna make some popcorn for this comedy.

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MUCH better yet, let sleeping dogs lie.

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There appears to be number of folks who would be willing to purchase a 1935-1935 Ford Pickup Book. All we need is someone to volunteer to create it and have a re-opening of the Ford Archives in Dearborn.

It took me over 3,000 hours of my time, 10 trips to the Ford archives (when it was open and available) and lots of other expenses to create my book. I drew all of the illustrations and did all of the research myself (with some help from Don Rogers). I paid for all of this myself. The EFV-8 Club may re-imburse for some incidental expenses with prior approval, but the cost of all the research will likely fall on the shoulders of the author.

Even if someone is willing to step up to the time and financial challenge, who also has the required expertise and writing and drafting skills, the Ford Archives remain closed and that's the place where most of all the missing information resides.

It's possible to put a book together on this topic, but to be truly useful, it needs to go into great detail and be focused on supportable facts and information and not anecdotal knowledge.

That's my two cents as an author of one of these books.

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Your .02¢ is spot on accurate. Well, in my opinion (based on personal experience) the 3000 hours may be an estimate on the low side.

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Yes I agree... sorry for stirring up trouble. I didn't intend for that. I was just commenting on a conversation that took place on this subject years ago, at a National Meet.

Time to move on:)

And yes the book on the Model 51's is well done!

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That book never came to fruition because the powers that be decided,on their own, that there would not be enough demand for the book and the club "would not be able to make a profit on it." Hey, isn't this supposed to be a non profit organization? It so advertises.

Fact. 400K, cash in the bank, that one of the "Powers" absconded with, don't sound like a non profit to me. (Well, it just may have turned out that way after all. LOL)

Enjoy the popcorn.

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Well, yours is definitely one side of the story.
If the book wasn't going to (or didn't) cost the club any money, how could there not be a profit?
Lawson, were you not an attorney in the past?

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Lawson, with respect you've been bashing this topic for years. There were certainly reasons the Club abandoned the book, lack of interest certainly was not it. Jerry Grayson put in a lot of effort towards the book and was a man I respected well and still drive his 36 pickup nearly every week. I am thankful he was respectful to the club and their decision and in our many talks never bashed the club. I am thankful Dave Gunarson took the time and effort and countless hours at his expense to produce a wonderful book that can in many forms translate to the pickups vs big trucks. The club has set guidelines for producing books for those that wish to and to my knowledge anyone following those guidelines has yet to have been denied the privilege of the club publishing their book.

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Michael, or Danny:

"The truth will set you free". Bye the way, I didn't bring up the subject, but it hacks me off every time I am reminded of the boondoggle.

Just stating the "true facts".

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The subject was broached in this thread with an impolite command directed to Don Rogers. Now can we drop it before the bloodletting begins?

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Good idea Al as I was around when the book was abandoned. I am keeping my lip zipped on this one. Silence is golden.