32 5W rear window roll down
 

On the 32 5W std coupe, I heard non had roll down rear window but I also heard some had it but I read ’all’ had it.
The parts to rolld down the window is that the same as on the A-Ford ?
Is handle like a door handle or a wrench.
Who make this parts new ?
I had try to find the parts but the metal has be rusty and I has not find any Arizona car parts.
I try to stay away from China parts and go Henry.
If some had the parts contact me private.

Re: 32 5W rear window roll down
 

Hi Hank
The roll down rear window was standard on 1932 Ford coupes. Its a rather simple arrangement there's only one arm used under the window channel to move it up and down. The one in the Deuce five window I built for my wife is an original that came with the car. I would think an original mechanism could be found or possibly an original door window mech maybe can be shortened to work.
Ronnieroadster

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Not all 5w coupes had the roll down window. The regulator is a basic model A door regulator. Then you must find the wood frame work. Then the lower metal tray that catches water. The window winder is a T shaped handle similar to 28 up rear window winder.

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I has no idea how my body was made but its cool to has it even if my is chopped and a ’race’ car.
I has a pretty good idea how it all is but need to find the parts.
I know some told me a company had the metal new made with water channel.
It was not Pacific.
I might can find a std A-Ford window winder.

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I’m not shore if this car will has interiour or the textile roof, I might only use the wood open and has the seat in leather.
If so its very nice to has Henry wood and the rear widow std steel parts.
But I might do a full interiour and then I might copy the old wood ( I has most of it it but 50% is in a bad condtion, burned after chop ) and if interior I can use new steel/crank rear window parts.

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One thing I learned in this project, is that parts is very expensive ( complex to find ) and my body was empty so its extremly expensive and hard find all parts and bolts ( or how it was made )
Actually its take years and its insane in time/money, plus add I’m a machinist, I cant weld or do metal. I has no space either for steel grinding or paint.
So its a fun road but one thing I cant get is that complete cars is not that expensive but parts is insane.
-Why, I can get it but it shore was a misstake.
People say, ”build build”, but how can I as first I need find my ’style’ then I has no parts, no experiance, no tooling so I’m realy on find craftsman get on further.
To be philosofic, guys build this cars back then was not into has it perfect ( far from ) but I like it very nice made in my style.
Guess I was real naive get a frame and a emoty body less all kind of experiance on this cars or works or what fits tohetger.

Re: 32 5W rear window roll down
 

Here's a link to a Hamb thread where a listing (sold) has pictures of most of the parts you're apt to need.

https://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/...-sold.1315659/

The regulator is the same as the right door on some model A's.

Brookeville lists the parts and wood - not cheap if they're in stock.

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Is the parts really the same to a 3W as the 5W, I did look at a Pacific and its had the steel plate in car, the Hamb add show wood in car.
I think it will be hard find this parts, and I did look a fragment here for sale before and crank was rusted up ( must been out for 75 years ) and few come up for sale in US.
I guess I need get it new, and I try stay away from Pacific parts and I heard a name of a company sold this parts US made ( forgott brand )

Re: 32 5W rear window roll down
 

Hi Hank
I have an extra original 32 Ford drip pan from a Deuce 5 window.
Ronnieroadster

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Hank: I got all the parts needed for the roll down window in my 5 window from United Pacific. Back window regulator plate B20218, Back window drain pan B20219, Rear roll down glass channel B20117, Roll down back window regulator B21112, Back window wood assembly B20067, and since I removed the package tray for more leg room, the rear package tray brace B20217. Also the back window crank handle B20140. I used a universal SS spring loaded escutcheon. Everything fit and worked perfectly. Don't be afraid of UP parts, they are top quality parts that fit and work. I've used a lot of their parts in the restoration of my roadster, 5 window and pickup. They are the closest to real Henry parts currently being produced. Gary at Cornhusker

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So in starting to make my reply I was going to start with "The back window regulator..." But then looking at the 1938 "Hardware and Trim" book and the photos of the unit sold on the "HAMB" I realized there might actually have been TWO different regulators! The one shown in the 1938 book uses three mount screws, the one on the "HAMB" uses four!


The three mount hole regulator (B-48205) is somewhat similar to the "basic model A door regulator" used on coupes, tudors, and pickups (except there are at least two significant variations there). The B-48205 differs at least by having the handle shaft drilled and tapped for the handle anchor screw, using the spring loaded slider at the end of the arm (similar to what is used on Model A fordors and 1932-39 closed cars), and likely a different arm length. The 1929-30 Model A fordor regulator would not have the handle shaft drilled and tapped and the arm length might be different than what is needed for the back window. Another specification that could be important is the length of the handle shaft, too tall and the handle sticks out, too short and the handle gets buried in the upholstery. I know of variances in shaft length between different regulators but I dont know what the back window needs.


The sidebar here is the earliest model a used a slotted handle shaft and the door handles were attached using a side orientated set screw. At some point Ford converted to the side drilled handle shaft and the float pin the V8'ers should be familiar with.


Brookville makes/made the back window tray. It is a forming rather than a stamping as are the originals or United Pacific reproduction.


I have to question whether or not original 5 windows had a fixed back window. My parts selling experience suggests that the window felt has a width of about 11/16", a simple pane of glass with the common rubber seal about 1/2". The implications here have to do with how the upholstery, garnish molding, and window all interface. In order for everything to fit the entire structure of the back of the turret would have to be different, or a special rubber seal (5/8"-11/16" wide with 1/4" glass groove) would have had to have been used. I have never seen any reference to a special seal of this type (EXCEPT on 1936 standard fordor sedan quarter windows).

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Do they make an accurate 5 window coupe set of door sill scuff plates? I have tried to find a pair for my car,I know that there is a couple manufactures but ones I have seen advertised are either chrome or shiny stainless or there is a supposedly correct zinc but poor fit or no fit at all. I was sure UP would produce a good fitting set not too blingy but nothing I have found. Looking for an original pair seems immpossible.My car is an older restoration 60 years old and trying not to have anything stand out new.

Re: 32 5W rear window roll down
 

The best bet would be the United Pacific chrome ones as I think they have the rounded ends as original. Paint them. The stainless/zinc ones are from Brookville. They are a continuous formed strip so do not have the rounded ends, and are tudor sedan length and have to be cut down. Far better than nothing.

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Least we forget that the regulators are different for the standard coupe (5W) and the deluxe coupe (3W) such as the referenced one on HAMB. That regulator's part number is B-528400. The former has three attachments and the latter has four attachments. The horizontal glass channel, the glass, and all the surrounding wood work are also unique to each type of coupe.

Re: 32 5W rear window roll down
 

Cast aside my post & opinions. Hank shows a chopped 5 window in his picture above The United Pacific parts are right, fit, are good quality, work and are available. Hank is building a vintage hot rod not a 100 pt. restoration.

Re: 32 5W rear window roll down
 

Keep your observations alive! While maybe not totally applicable to the OP, they will be of great value to anyone who consults this thread.

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Thanks.
Great to has the Pacific partnumber.
I might wait to LARS to find some std.
But I can live with new parts as described.
If anyone read this and has decent complete package I’m intrested.

Re: 32 5W rear window roll down
 

My apologies for throwing this thread somewhat off line with my post above - I guess my brain was thrown off course by your Fordbarn 3W Hank name and not paying enough attention to the real details!!

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I checked up the Pacific parts and it's a total at 630 USD.
New parts and guess no fuzz.
I might has a 'decent' old plate and I think I can get A-Ford window crank here and handle. I has some wood parts.

One thing I notice in the Pacific body was the bar B20217.

If my memory is correct I saw a std 5W and it had a package tray so that bar from Pacific is not std, but a deal if some one like to use no package tray - is that correct ?

Now I has more on feet on that project.
Let's see how I do.

I really like get all this parts std Henry aka Arizona car and I'm ready to pay for a good set complete.

Re: 32 5W rear window roll down
 

The B20217 is a reinforcement piece to help with body strength when removing the package tray. Removing the package tray adds 3-4 inches of leg room. Doesn't sound like much but it makes a difference in comfort on long drives. I like UP parts because they fit, are good quality and I'm not dealing some bodies cast off left overs.

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I has this parts, so 2 package tray can be one working and its a plate on that to the windowcrank, but the other plate must be behind the wood.
Ex PU B20219.

I think I found a decent A-Ford mechanism. The same as coupe 32 ?
Also a drawing for A-Ford drain plate ( if that is the same maybe ?

Re: 32 5W rear window roll down
 

This '33 3w has its roll-down w/ Henry's 'safety glass'; i.e., two sheets of plate glass; i.e., Ford Safety Glass Company glass; its clear material glued between the two sheets; termed 'shatter-proof' in Ford ads. (Do read why Henry created his Ford Safety Glass Company because of an accident he had in 1931 during his proud demonstration of the new '31 Model A.

The safety glass company and its building was separate and apart from Ford with employees paid by Ford Glass, although neighboring on Ford property in Dearborn.

After creating the safety glass company, realizing that he was thee only auto glass maker in the world, he supplied the safety glass for any and all auto makers on the planet.

Replies and if any corrections welcome! Thank You -

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How much I dont like it I guess the UP parts from Summit is har to beat ( drip plate )
This is a part hard to find ( not rusted or need work ) and as one said ; I build a hotrod, not a 100 pt std car.
But I’m very into has Henry parts and old speed parts.
Its not seen in the car and I has actually the UP floor.
This floor was in the body when I bought and and Yes I found a beat-up rusted ( VERY ) expensive std 32 floor, but it dont make sense cut it out… but how can this parts be sooooo expensive ? ( and not Ok )

I has the package tray, I found the A-Ford wndow crank ( A-Ford door ) real cheap.
But whats struggle me I dont like be in the Taiwan stuff so how to do on the wood, but I has maybe 50% Henry.

If anyone has std wood = contact me private ( I pay good )

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Ford used laminated safety glass windshields in the Model A throughout production. (I think that use actually began in the Model T era. Supposedly the catalyst was Henry and/or friends being injured when plate glass shattered.) A couple high-end Model A also had it standard in the passenger compartment. Otherwise, side windows were plate glass until 1931 when laminated glass became an extra-cost option.

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Had it been figure out if the A-Ford passanger side rear door regulator is equal to the 32 std coupes rear window.
As DavidG showed : B-528400
I read now on lengt on handle can vary.
I might has locate a old std A-Ford here.
Not seen it yet.

On handle I can use a new ( several sell it as PU, Early Ford store, Mud’s etc )
I was going for old door handles/window cranks but hard to find and cracked, so I bought a new set.
This set was told maybe be old Ford replacements ( NORS ) as a rubber inside handle ( as not new made ( as I was told ) but the ones I got is new made but maybe older repros.
-Atleast they will not crack for me.

Then a new…issue comes upp on glass thickness and felt thickness.
Who sell the felt in roof slides and the lower bar that the glass are into.

I has not inestigate if we has only mm thickness here as I live in Sweden.

I guess on glass I need make a own thread ( later on )

Re: 32 5W rear window roll down
 

I’ve done two of these rear windows and they can be a real challenge. Finding the correct, original regulator and glass channel was the biggest obstacle.

I found the reproduction regulator was very poor quality and did not fit the wood. The glass channel was grossly incorrect, with regulator slots, inches out of place.

I did try a modified Model A Fordor regulator that was a substitute. But I found that it did not offer the full travel and window only came down 2/3 way.

In the end I used the wood kit from UP, original regulator & glass channel.

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Yes people tell me this it so easy, a very simple design but one thing I learn with cars, machines it’s not a coincidence the parts fit together done from factory.
And once dissembled the challenge starts..
Get the Chinese company in it and its often a disaster.
If I complain this shops say then use your old stuff.
I been in Mopar restoration since the 80’s so back then it was really ugly now some company do just fine repro.
Same with tractor parts there all is from China, nothing fits but its cheap parts.

I will try stay away from Chine regulators.
But how to find one std 32 ?
Ex Snyder sell regulator to A-Ford ( best on the market they say = no more skips and jumps )
But if they not is correct replacement ( the A-Ford passenger side door ) to the 32 5W regulator ?
On eBay a company sell a regulator fit all from 28 to 36 at 45 USD..

I think I can live with the UP drain plate but I will keep searching for a std, but the lower glass channel.
I has maybe a std lower glass a channel to borrow to copy.
But is really the UP that bad ? ( B20117 )

On Snyder's web I see felt etc ( A-Ford only ) but can’t find equal to 32.

Se my rear window metal frame in body ( vs felt channels (?)


-If you think I'm confused ( ask questions ) well I has not work with this cars and I bought every thing the hard way, when I bought a parts its totally empty, no bolts, no nothing so... ;- ))

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I locate this 2 up, seller said he dont know what it is, se pics.

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If the regulators Hank posted pictures of are Ford (and that is a HUGE if) these are most likely 1932-34 pickup.



To use on the 5W back window might require modifying the arm length and the shaft length and the height of the mounting standoff. If they were to need rebuilding this style of regulator pinion and clutch assembly is NOT compatible with rebuild kits that are/have been available. Also before using check the handle shaft, many were steel (which is good) and many were pot metal (which is bad because if not broken and rotten will be so with use).


The die cast handle shafts are a rare example of a US made part which is CRAP. I don't know Ford used them OEM or they were only aftermarket (I understand Ford out-sourced regulator assemblies from many vendors so there were many variants installed when new, and there was a lively after market selling regulators to glass shops).

Re: 32 5W rear window roll down
 

Karl,

So if I get Ford pickup 32/34 doors to use in a std 32 5W coupe, they will not fit ( is that what you say.

I'll just came home from look into a Very nice std 32 5W coupe but I could not see the regulator.
Owner had what he said was pickup 32 doors ( se picture below ) and he had also a new aftermarket.
He might had a drip steel plate but said they is rusted.

You might see on the picture if its steel handle shaft or die cast.
( On picture this is not for sale.

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Steel or die cast arm ?
( for sale

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With the chop top, the rear glass will have to be shorter than a stock coupe. Both of the coupes I have had were not chopped and the glass only pockets about 2/3 when rolled down. So with the chop, and stock regulator, you might only have a letter slot even with shorter glass.

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I might be wrong here, but a chopped coupe should can have std windows as to reach down to lowest position ( ride on a rubber ) then one only not go full upp ( ex 3” ) and same must be for the rear window or ?

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Will measure in the A.M. using a 3'' chop.

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A 3" chop will still net 2 1/2" of air flow vs. 5 1/2" stock. Very much worth the roll down feature. The cowl vent is by far more important however, as it helps getting rid of heat from firewall and floor.