1933 butt walnut
 

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If your butt looks like that, you must be on drugs. :D

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Burl?

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https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/attac...p;d=1729624592

1933 Ford Wood Grain Dash - highbeams

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https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/attac...p;d=1729652291

Wood Grain Dash on my Australian Early 1934 Ford Phaeton

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No. Paid for in full, ordered walnut burl. This is what I received, plus, termed "butt" where it was done.

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Paid for in full, ordered walnut burl. This is what I received, plus, termed "butt" where it was done.

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Paid for in full, ordered walnut burl. This is what I received. What is this? It is not walnut burl. Well-known 'grainer' does very meticulous work.
One email to this grainer I commented that this is excellent work, but this is not what I ordered. The grainer has NOT replied to my email suggestions can walnut burl be done, including a request for 'A' pillar graining, other than his first and only reply commenting that this is 1933 Ford woodgrain; butt and burl are both referred to as burl.
I responded burl is burl; butt is butt, that is why and what they are professionally specifically termed.
Redo and do what I requested, burl walnut.

The grainer refuses refuses refuses to reply.

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Thank You mercman from oz!

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It looks like walnut burl woodgrain to me! Don't know what walnut butt looks like.

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Perhaps merely bad penmanship?:confused:

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Yes, I've considered the possibility regarding burl and butt; I've left a number of phone messages; including, i.e., I will pay for half of the cost to redo the grainer's mistake. No reply.

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Do you have a photo of what you envision?

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This is what I envision as burl walnut or walnut burl.

Absooooolutely NOT butt walnut nor walnut butt, which is what I received.


https://www.istockphoto.com/search/2...se=burl+walnut

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https://www.istockphoto.com/search/2...se=burl+walnut

Thank You for asking!

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Hey, it's a craft, sometimes an art. No two artists perform the same or even attempt to perform the same. Your dashboard is attractive and unique in its own right, and who knows, an original Ford somewhere may have been very similar to yours today. I do know that if, in my capacity as a Judge on the EFV8CA Concourse, I were to make a point deduction on your dashboard, I would fully expect to be challenged and reversed by the Chief Judge.

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I think it looks great as is.

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My thoughts on the different grain the first is butt grain & second is burl

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Yes. Thank You.

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Mine was "supposedly" (IF memory serves) 34 burl pattern, which looks nothing like Trevor's picture BUT does look close to Rick's burl picture in post 18.

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Alan, as I commented to the well-known grainer that did my '33 dash: Everything has a name for identification; i.e., beer, colors, vehicles, cars . . . worldwide. The world needs identification; therefore every person's surname with genealogy, every thing must have a name. to wit: it is what it is! Don't You understand that???!!!

Again. . . in this case, I view the grainer 'going through' all woodgrains in his video FOR THAT IDENTIFICATION PURPOSE! He shows and describes every dash and garnish woodgrain including the butt woodgrain, the burl woodgrain, yes, as well as every other car-interior woodgrain that he says he does. Why? Obviously because he and the customer MUST BE ON THE SAME PAGE!!!
Therefore, I spend thousands of dollars ordering what he has described in his video, burl walnut! I receive butt walnut.

Am I not entitled to even what he says is burl walnut???

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How come you have not asked DavidG about this? He is probably the most knowledgeable person on the planet regarding 32 33 and 34 Fords. Unless you have the original plates and rollers used at Ford, you aren't going to get exactly what was factory anyway.

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Here is a photo of an original Canadian 1933 Deluxe Ford 4 door.
It looks quite similar to what you have.

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Yes. As I've posted, . . . I spent thousands of dollars regarding my order of burl walnut. I received butt walnut on my dash. The well-known wood grainer will not return my emails, will not return my phone calls. He and his company made a mistake as I've informed him.
Obviously he does not want to admit it. But busness is business; make it right per customer's (me) credible complaint. Please read all my posts and replies on this matter. Thank You!

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I have a number of posts regarding this, as well as a number of replies to those that have replied to my posts. I would appreciate it if David G would contact me on this matter if he wants to. I do not force anyone to post or reply to me and my posts. Thank You!

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I sure miss Whizzernick for discussions such as this. RIP.

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I have a 33 phaeton but it is a very rare standard, non grained dash.

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Mike,

What is and what isn't original '33 (or '32 or '34 on up) wood graining is a slippery slope. It starts with the photos. You effectively cannot depict the true colors of original closed car dashes without the kind of professional photographic lighting equipment to avoid lightening the image to the point where it is distorted. That's clearly shown in the photos in this thread. As for original open car wood graining, who could reasonably assert that that dash wasn't exposed to sunlight both direct and reflected and its debilitating effects on colors and gloss?

I have previously saved ford33's photo in #23 as I believe it to be a good example of the grain pattern used in both Canada and the U.S. on '33 model deluxe dashes. Overall, it is understandably on the light side given the use of a flash for the photo. I base that on several NOS glove box radio doors, ash tray covers, and glove box doors that I have/had of both the '33 and '34 grains. (The base coat appears to be the same on all '32-'34 dashes, ash trays, and garnish moldings.)

If you happen to have copy of the DeAngelis/Francis book, please look at page 59. The two photos were made by Ford's photographic department and while they are black and white they lack the brightening effect of ordinary flash photos. Both the '33 and '34 examples are fairly dark.

In my readings of various Ford literature I have not yet encountered the term butt grain. Further I'd rather not be in the middle of a dispute between two third parties.

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Mike,

One last thought given your mention of your '33 standard phaeton, of which I have one as well. I do not envy anyone with a late '33 standard phaeton or standard roadster as there is archival documentation that Ford adopted wood graining as a running change late in the '33 model year. Since it is unlikely the same as that used on the deluxe phaetons and roadsters, what did it look like?

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Before my '33 Ford dash woodgraining, the grainer said that he had the original plates to do the job.

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My name is Pat/Patrick; I have a '33 3w coupe. Thank You.

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I am NOT talking about color(s) Once again, I ordered '33 walnut burl. The grainer grained my dash in what HE referred to in his website video, as butt grain. Butt is not my word: it is the grainer's word. Thank You - "slippery slope"? Surely does not have to be a slippery slope if the grainer knows what he/she is doing, just as any other trade. Thank You!

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Thank You for Your photo! Yes, somewhat the same; a close-up would be good.

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My name is Pat/Patrick; I have a '33 3w coupe. Thank You. This coupe built in late December '32/early January '33. Glass is Ford Safety June '33. Thank You, DavidG

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My name is Pat/Patrick; I have a '33 3w coupe. Thank You.

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Mike is deuce roadster. I was responding to his comment in #22 above. Sorry for the confusion.



With respect, 1933 model Job #1 was in January, 1933. The engine/transmission to your car could have been manufactured in December, 1932, but not the whole vehicle. Public introduction took place on February 11, 1933.

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Thank You, David! My problem; not yours!

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You're fortunate to have a '33 phaeton! Wood grain or paint, who cares. It's thee car that
is enjoyed!

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He was to do my '33 woodgrain upon my sending the dash and garnish; The following week, he passed.

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/// You're fortunate to have a '33 phaeton! Wood grain or paint, who cares. It's thee car that is enjoyed!