Proposed New Fordbarn Forum: Non US Ford Based Flathead Era
 

Fordbarn is great, but there is a gap in its coverage. The small European Fords which had small scale 4 bangers made from 1932 and on thru the Flathead era do not fit into any Fordbarn category. They are not Model Ts, Model As or V8s, but are Early Fords, so there is a need for another forum. I have mentioned this to Ryan and he seemed to like the idea, but I put the post here to gather support and think of the rules for the forum. I propose the title to be Non US Ford Based Flathead era. Fordbarn now is naturally and rightly so American based, but there are many global variations of Fords which don't fit well into existing Fordbarn Forums, so this would be the one place to catch all of them. Ford France was sold to Simca in 1954, who kept making Ford based Flathead engines, including what are now commonly called French Flatheads until about 1990, so all the engines they made from 1954 to 1990 are technically not Fords, and the Flathead era went on to 1990. So that is why I choose the title Non US Ford Based Flathead Era. The rules are you can discuss any Ford based Flathead engine, and any vehicle originally fitted with a Ford based Flathead engine. Ford of England, France and Germany made their own vehicles with similarities and differences. GAZ in Russia made versions of Fords for long times. Australia had Utes and other bodies of their own. I think Non US Ford Based Flathead Era would fill the gap and cover all aspects.
What do you think?

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Very good, I agree!

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Why the heck NOT? And, we damned sure can't forget the ANGLIAS & PREFECTS that were instrumental in helping to firmly establish the early A/Gas class wars of yesteryear.

Coop


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I've never seen a non-US Ford in person. Before rendering an opinion I will need to have a specimen donated to me for proper inspection :)

Seriously, I like the idea.

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No mention of Canada? Ask any Canadian, their Fords were non U.S. too! And then there are the unique-to-Australia Fords.

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Your idea sounds good to me.

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Having owned a 1937 Ford 8 "model 7Y" some years ago, and currently actively seeking a Model Y or C/CX, I wholeheartedly support this addition. The website below gives some additional info on these little beauties. They will be familiar to EV8 fellas, The cars are like junior versions of our "big" American Fords.

www.fordyandcmodelregister.co.uk/

another source is: www.smallfordspares.co.uk

Also a Facebook page: " Ford Y & C Public Page"

If anyone has one here stateside they're interested in selling, shoot me a PM

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Thank you for your support. We are talking about the kind of cars that V8Coopman has pictured. For those who don't know, this is a 1953-59 Ford Popular. It has an engine which is like a scaled down 4 banger and mechanicals like a scaled down American early Ford. The same basic design came out in 1937 and they kept making it until 1959. It does not fit into any of the Fordbarn categories and nobody talks about them on Fordbarn. There are many others including the 7Y which Johndee138 refers to. I will run thru them gradually.
DavidG-we love Canada and the Canadian Ford plant was the first foreign Ford plant and opened the door to all the other Ford plants, but I think that all the cars they made in our era were the same as US Fords so no special mention for Canada here. Sorry!

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VintageHoarder


As and American V8 Ford era enthusiast, with Bratwurst & Stein of Warsteiner slant of course, I will be in favor of such page and will contribute as well!!!

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I see no reason not to. Sounds good to me! - F F

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That sound great. I'm owing a 1933 Ford Model Y Cairn Drophead Coupe by Salmson & Sons(Tickford). johndee138 posted some useful links for Model Y and Model C. I'm the webmaster of https://www.fordyandcmodelregister.co.uk/index.html. I also can provide information about the German cousins of the Y and C, the Köln and Eifel.

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Hello All,
I kind of like my 1933 Canadian built cabriolet. Canadian built Fords are fairly scarce these days. I’m still looking for a set of “Made in Canada” cylinder heads for it.

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Hi. Agree with DavidG. Canadian Fords had specific characteristics that made them particular. There's a whole section about them in the restoration book.


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Has anyone found any websites or information resources for Non-USA Ford trucks?

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I hate to see another bucket added that I will need to check.

Charelie Stephens

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It's easy. Just don't check anything that doesn't interest you.

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I think it would be a good idea because they are flatheads too. I used to own a souped up i954 Ford Anglia in my early in married life until it got to small, You do not have to go in to the site regarding this model.

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For those who don't know, the Ford Model Y was made from 1932 to 37 in England. It is something like a 3/4 scale American '34 and it has a scaled down 4 banger. It is an Early Ford, but it does not fit into any of the 4 Fordbarn Forums, so nobody ever talks about them on Fordbarn. That is why we need the 5th forum, Non US Ford based Flathead Era

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I have a 36 “Y” model. There is a great book about them. The 33 US ford was styled after the Y model once Edsel seen the Y in Europe.

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Well, I guess I'm in the right place, with the perfect crossover.
Here's my 1948 Prefect, currently being retrofitted with a V8 60.
I also own a completely stock 1952 Popular.

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Since there is such an interest, adding a new Ford flathead category is a good idea.
After all, Henry Ford was "world wide".
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Ford of England made what have become known as the Small Sidevalve Fords from 1932 to 1962. They all had some version of a scaled down Model B engine. Yes, if you were not aware, the last car pictured has a little flathead 4 banger and was made until 1962! But none are suitable for Fordbarn in its present format!

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Ford of Germany

The German Ford Cologne factory opened in 1931 and by 1933 was making Fords which do not fit into todays Fordbarn forums.
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The Ford Koln was a version of the English Model Y with the small English engine. Later came the Eifel and the Taunus.
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The first Taunus looked like a little Lincoln Zephyr and had the small English engine. The Taunus had various updates and used the small English 4 banger until about 1962.
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Germany made its own V8s. These do fit into the Fordbarn Early V8 Forum, but when they are talked about, they are considered to be unusual and oddball. They would be right at home in the new forum.

Germany kept on making their own version of the BB truck after 1932.
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These do not fit into the Fordbarn forums. The BB engine was redesigned in Germany as the G28T and used in trucks until the 1950s.
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Some of these trucks have been preserved, but they do not fit into the Fordbarn categories and nobody talks about them on Fordbarn.

Ford of Germany has its own fascinating Flathead era history which is largely out of the range of the present Fordbarn forums. We really do need the new forum, Non US Ford Based Flathead Era

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Vintage, Congratulations, you now have 10 posts in less than a month, and have made your point numerous times about the need for a new forum, but we have not the foggiest idea where you are or what to call you other than Vintage... It would be nice if you could take the time to introduce yourself as most all here have done, and just go right on happily posting pictures and facts known to you about those non-American Fords. I'm fairly certain that your message hasn't gone unnoticed. More photos and videos? This forum can handle all the non conforming stuff you can dig up!

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I believe the idea has merit and support it with one caveat... change the “US” to NA (North American). There are a few idiosyncratic characteristics on our Canadian built Fords so they are not 100% US copies but close enough.

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Canada is definitely non US. I think that all the vehicles ever made by Canada fit into the existing Fordbarn Forum titles, so all Canadian built Fords can already be discussed on Fordbarn. The Fords built in England and Germany that are the same as or similar to American Fords fit into the Fordbarn Forum titles and we do not need a new forum for them. It is for the Fords that are so different that they do not fit the existing forum titles that we need the new forum. But Canada is non US and you could talk about Canadian Fords on the new forum.

I can keep going like this for quite some time, which will either intrigue or irritate! It may already be starting to irritate.

So what do you say Ryan?

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Thanks to this thread I found a set of “Made in Canada” cylinder heads, numbers 40-6049 & 40-6050! Thanks Ford Barn & Ron.
JG

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anything that helps the old Fords, I'm for. It's a hobby that keeps them alive, I don;t know much about them, except for the French V8. Nice engine.
Gramps

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On further reflection, I no longer agree that a new forum is called for By having a separate forum, it's likely that at least some of the current participants won't look at the new forum on a regular basis and therefore the information that it contains won't reach the largest possible audience. The purpose of these forums is not just to share information but to learn and to expose the many unique products of Ford produced outside of the U.S. during the flathead era is and will continue to be a welcome learning experience to many fordbarners.

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Well I still think think Non NA Ford’s would be way more focussed. Being that Ford of Canada was founded in 1904 and the very minimal differences between the Canadian Fords and those across the line I think of these cars as North American and non just US.

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I agree with "DavidG" for the reasons he puts forth.

To be brutally frank, I think that the chance that a major change will be made to this forum is slim to none.

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Fortunateson. Oh yes, I see what you mean now and you are correct. I change the title of the proposed new forum to Non North American Ford Based Flathead era. Thank you for your assistance! To be clear for all global Fordbarners, North America is the continent including USA and Canada.