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DD931 02-25-2019 10:31 AM

Engine Stand
 

I'm getting ready to pull my engine and I want to be sure that I have my engine stand properly set up. What do folks use as an adapter to hold the engine on the stand. Must be able to pull head and pan while it's on the stand. Pictures would be great!! Thanks!!

nabbess1930 02-25-2019 10:35 AM

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Get the engine stand adapter sold my Snyder's or any of the other Model A supply houses. It bolts in place of the water inlet on the side of the block. It's the best in my opinion.

Joe K 02-25-2019 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by nabbess1930 (Post 1730508)
Get the engine stand adapter sold my Snyder's or any of the other Model A supply houses. It bolts in place of the water inlet on the side of the block. It's the best in my opinion.

+1.

For a "running" stand you'll need something else - possibly the frame of your Model A.

Joe K

Purdy Swoft 02-25-2019 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe K (Post 1730509)
+1.

For a "running" stand you'll need something else - possibly the frame of your Model A.

Joe K



I made one from a junk model A frame that I had . i I cut the frame in two , just behind the center crossmember and installed legs . I can use this stand to test run an engine or use it to bolt fenders on when welding up cracks and straightening . It comes in very handy , especially with fender work . I would never cut up a good frame for this purpose !!! The frame that I used was already rusted in two on one side and rusted worse that I would want to use on any of my cars on the other side . I have one of the modern style engine stands that I use when doing engine overhauls .

eagle 02-25-2019 01:18 PM

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I used a Harbor Freight engine stand, straight out of the box, no mods or adapters needed. Works good, can flip the engine upside down easily.

CarlG 02-25-2019 02:23 PM

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This handy little adapter made by Bill Stipe and available from most of the vendors adapts to most any engine stand.

DD931 02-25-2019 02:35 PM

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Thanks for the info!!!

100IH 02-25-2019 02:55 PM

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Don't try to leave the flywheel and f/w housing on and mount to the housing in the conventional way. You can remove these and grab the back of the block but most all prefer the side mount way and that's how the original stands worked.

DD931 02-25-2019 03:32 PM

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100IH - Yes, Thanks! I get it! V8 folks have the same issue. That's why I asked the question - I just didn't know how to do the side mount. With the side mount I should be able to leave clutch and flywheel on - right? I would leave the flywheel housing still assembled in the car waiting to receive the engine when replaced.

Joe K 02-25-2019 05:04 PM

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With the side-mount the engine will be SERIOUSLY overweighted with the flywheel on.

You can do it - but there may be no "mechanical advantage" for rotating the engine, other than the bar they give you with the original engine dolly, which your particular "adapter" may or may not be drilled for. You may find you fight it all the way around doing the "flip" even without a flywheel.

I made my own side plate. This is possible since my particular engine dolly is based on a 2" pipe rotating part. I drilled holes at 90 degree intervals (4 holes) for a locking pin but so far have used only two of the four holes since one rarely needs flywheel or timing gear "up." Looking to get it in service FAST I didn't create a means to "bar" the engine in the flip - but later (and wisely) added them to use the original "turn bar" for this.

If you remove the flywheel, be sure to "mark" the orientation of the flywheel relative to the crank flange. Many rebuilders balance the crank, and the flywheel can be a big part of this so you want to maintain that orientation.

Joe K

California Travieso 02-25-2019 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by eagle (Post 1730590)
I used a Harbor Freight engine stand, straight out of the box, no mods or adapters needed. Works good, can flip the engine upside down easily.

I’m buying the HF Engine Stand. Do you bolt it to the rear of the engine using the holes for the bell housing?

David Serrano

Purdy Swoft 02-25-2019 07:00 PM

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I've got a Harbor freight engine stand and it can be connected to the rear of the engine . I use the engine stand adapter pictured in post number 6 that connects to the side water inlet . It works well and the engine can easily turned upside down .

midgetracer 02-25-2019 08:41 PM

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I don't want to hijack this thread, but I use a Stipe type engine stand bracket, and I have a B engine with a Miller head. I am concerned that the weight of this engine (I want to avoid pulling the head) will be too heavy for this engine stand. I have visions of breaking off the pan flange. I need to redo the Burtz seal I have on the rear of the crankshaft, and I want to disassemble as little of the engine as possible. I think I need to polish the area where the slinger was a lot better or at least make sure that the drain back tube has nothing blocking the flow. Am I too squeamish about doing damage to the engine? I have over 10K in this engine, but the leak is really bothering me.

eagle 02-25-2019 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by California Travieso (Post 1730668)
I’m buying the HF Engine Stand. Do you bolt it to the rear of the engine using the holes for the bell housing?

David Serrano

Yes

Tom Wesenberg 02-26-2019 04:13 AM

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Originally Posted by midgetracer (Post 1730742)
I don't want to hijack this thread, but I use a Stipe type engine stand bracket, and I have a B engine with a Miller head. I am concerned that the weight of this engine (I want to avoid pulling the head) will be too heavy for this engine stand. I have visions of breaking off the pan flange. I need to redo the Burtz seal I have on the rear of the crankshaft, and I want to disassemble as little of the engine as possible. I think I need to polish the area where the slinger was a lot better or at least make sure that the drain back tube has nothing blocking the flow. Am I too squeamish about doing damage to the engine? I have over 10K in this engine, but the leak is really bothering me.

I've never had a problem using the side mount adaptor and HF engine stand. I assemble the complete engine and flywheel with it.

katy 02-26-2019 10:46 AM

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I put a worm drive gear reducer on my engine stand to make it easier for my bad back:

DD931 02-26-2019 03:11 PM

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Very clever!!

BILL WILLIAMSON 02-26-2019 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by katy (Post 1730895)
I put a worm drive gear reducer on my engine stand to make it easier for my bad back:

Better than a CAN OF WORMS----LOL
Bill Gonefishing

daren007 02-26-2019 06:46 PM

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Build your own side mount and save a bundle.

BILL WILLIAMSON 02-26-2019 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by daren007 (Post 1731062)
Build your own side mount and save a bundle.

Dang, Daren, just sold my welding equiptment!!!
Bill

Railcarmover 02-26-2019 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by daren007 (Post 1731062)
Build your own side mount and save a bundle.

ran mine up in a jiffy


https://i.imgur.com/OFNMLmI.jpg?1

Tim Ayers 02-26-2019 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by midgetracer (Post 1730742)
I don't want to hijack this thread, but I use a Stipe type engine stand bracket, and I have a B engine with a Miller head. I am concerned that the weight of this engine (I want to avoid pulling the head) will be too heavy for this engine stand. I have visions of breaking off the pan flange. I need to redo the Burtz seal I have on the rear of the crankshaft, and I want to disassemble as little of the engine as possible. I think I need to polish the area where the slinger was a lot better or at least make sure that the drain back tube has nothing blocking the flow. Am I too squeamish about doing damage to the engine? I have over 10K in this engine, but the leak is really bothering me.

I would think the Miller aluminum head isn't too much heavier than a cast iron stock one. Curious if anyone has weighed them.

midgetracer 02-27-2019 02:16 AM

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i have the stock cast iron one, but haven't weighed it. It is very heavy though. Probably more than the stock flywheel.

denniskliesen 02-27-2019 04:35 AM

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I made my own adapter for the side of the engine partly due to having the heavier HF engine stand. The pipe size is bigger for the rotating piece.

BILL WILLIAMSON 02-27-2019 06:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Purdy Swoft (Post 1730701)
I've got a Harbor freight engine stand and it can be connected to the rear of the engine . I use the engine stand adapter pictured in post number 6 that connects to the side water inlet . It works well and the engine can easily turned upside down .

Purdy,
I remember you traveled a LOOOONG way to a machine shop. Glad you have a Harbor Freight Store, near you.
I HATE folks that criticise them!!! Look at their website, they have more stuff than you can wave a stick at!
Bill W.

Smitty 02-27-2019 07:35 AM

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With the flywheel and housing in place the side mounted engine balances quite well. That is how they were set up on the KR Wilson stands. Easy to rotate

Railcarmover 02-27-2019 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by BILL WILLIAMSON (Post 1731180)
Purdy,
I remember you traveled a LOOOONG way to a machine shop. Glad you have a Harbor Freight Store, near you.
I HATE folks that criticise them!!! Look at their website, they have more stuff than you can wave a stick at!
Bill W.

If you use a Harbor Freight stick they break when you wave them..

DD931 02-27-2019 10:13 AM

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Railcarmover - Thanks for the picture!!!

katy 02-27-2019 10:43 AM

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These work: https://www.otctools.com/products/60...l-engine-stand

1929 Red Tudor 02-27-2019 12:45 PM

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It does not get much simpler than this

daren007 02-27-2019 01:37 PM

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Oh nooooo Bill. Never sell your welder. I would consider getting rid of my dog before my welder.

AL in NY 02-27-2019 04:57 PM

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DD931; I believe you stated you wanted to leave the head and oil pan on the engine when you mount it to the engine stand. The side mount adapter is bolted to the engine using the water inlet and two bolts on the oil pan. If you use the side adapter, you'll have to remove the oil pan BEFORE you mount the engine to the engine stand. If you remove the flywheel and flywheel housing, you can use the rear of the engine to mount the engine onto the stand. Use the top two bolt holes(where the shims go) and the lower two flywheel housing bolt holes to mount to the engine stand. This lowers the engine so the center of rotation is nearer the engine's center of gravity. You can do all your disassembly and assembly with the engine mounted this way. But you'll have to dismount it to add the flywheel housing and flywheel again.

CarlG 02-27-2019 05:16 PM

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You don’t have to remove the pan, only the two bolts where the engine mount goes.

AL in NY 02-27-2019 05:18 PM

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CarlG: how are you going to remove the oil pan after you mount the engine on the stand using the side mount adapter?

daren007 02-27-2019 06:49 PM

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The two bolts that use the pan rail do not need nuts. You can use dowels for this. I had a local welding/fabricator shear and bend my adaptor plate. I had a template for them to use. I welded the two bolts to the plate and drilled the two water inlet holes as well as four holes to bolt the plate to my engine stand. I bolted the adapter directly to the stand face thus eliminating having to deal with fabricating a pipe.

CarlG 02-28-2019 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by AL in NY (Post 1731354)
CarlG: how are you going to remove the oil pan after you mount the engine on the stand using the side mount adapter?

You have to take the rest of the pan bolts out.

100IH 03-01-2019 02:28 PM

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Anyone who does this daily would put a drain pan under the drain plugs first thing and let it drip right up until time to mount the sling and lift the block out. then set it down a cart or on the floor for removing clutch and flywheel and then F/W housing. Then mount the adapter (you can remove the bolts that are in the way at the pan rail). Then up to mount on the stand.

denniskliesen 03-01-2019 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by katy (Post 1731236)

6,000 lb revolver, I worked with one of those for years in my past of being employed. I had some big diesels, differentials, and transmissions on them before.

Gene F 03-03-2019 01:13 PM

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Eagle, what stand is this?

eagle 03-07-2019 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Gene F (Post 1732563)
Eagle, what stand is this?

Engine is sitting in a corner, behind some stuff so hard to get a picture but this shows how I mounted it. Works fine for me. Its just the cheap Harbor Freight stand.


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