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braol 08-27-2018 08:16 AM

Filter GONE!
 

I can't believe it. I got a new Air Maze filter (the wire screen kind) two weeks ago and yesterday I look under the hood and the screen filter is GONE! I made sure it was tight...I just can't believe it.


It does not appear that one can buy just the wire mesh filter housing or the tightening screw. I still just can't believe it.

Mike Peters 08-27-2018 08:26 AM

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Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't run air filters at all. We never run on gravel roads, so no dust. When you start your car with full choke, gas will drip from the carburetor. With a filter, that gas will accumulate in the filter body. If the engine happens to backfire, it will start that gas on fire. Safety issue.

braol 08-27-2018 08:29 AM

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@Mike Peters: Hey, nice Farmall. It looks like an M. I have a '46 H with narrow front...

Ray in La Mesa 08-27-2018 08:30 AM

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I lost one years ago then replaced it and drilled & safety wired the wing nut.

katy 08-27-2018 08:38 AM

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Quote:

It does not appear that one can buy just the wire mesh filter housing or the tightening screw. I still just can't believe it.
Bratton's part # 14705

jhowes 08-27-2018 08:39 AM

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I agree with Mike, I ran on dirt roads for a lot of years and never had an issue. The engine lasted longer than I did.

braol 08-27-2018 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by katy (Post 1667907)
Bratton's part # 14705


That's just the metal screen insert material. I need the whole screen element (with the ends and the wingnut bolt).

abachman3 08-27-2018 09:33 AM

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Time to shop at the local model A parts swaps... I see those parts frequently at swap meets.

Licensed to kill 08-27-2018 09:46 AM

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I considered one of those screens until I saw one. Pretty coarse. What is their purpose??. Keep out bugs and small birds perhaps?

160B 08-27-2018 10:21 AM

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Air filters have been covered in a number of threads, here is a partial list.


https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/showthread.php?t=239089

https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/showthread.php?t=221751

https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/showthread.php?t=221691

https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/showthread.php?t=216058

https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/showthread.php?t=211210

https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/showthread.php?t=209923

https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/showthread.php?t=205402

https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/showthread.php?t=142838

https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/showthread.php?t=142421

https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/showthread.php?t=119231

https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/showthread.php?t=119203

https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/showthread.php?t=108962

https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/showthread.php?t=95961

https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/showthread.php?t=81888

https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/showthread.php?t=77165

BILL WILLIAMSON 08-27-2018 10:36 AM

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Things APPEAR/DISAPPEAR, in my "MYSTERY" Linen Closet! I'll check & see if it's there!
Bill W.

braol 08-27-2018 10:46 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by abachman3 (Post 1667933)
Time to shop at the local model A parts swaps... I see those parts frequently at swap meets.


I know. I just could NOT make it to the swap in Woodstock, IL this weekend. That being said, I discovered the missing filter yesterday and I wouldn't have known to have bought another at the swap anyways. Making my list for next year I guess.

msmaron 08-27-2018 12:05 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by braol (Post 1667896)
I can't believe it. I got a new Air Maze filter (the wire screen kind) two weeks ago and yesterday I look under the hood and the screen filter is GONE! I made sure it was tight...I just can't believe it.


It does not appear that one can buy just the wire mesh filter housing or the tightening screw. I still just can't believe it.

Best thing that will happen to your A now...Now your car will run correctly!

Mike Peters 08-27-2018 12:08 PM

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Braol: The tractor in my avatar is actually a 1953 Super W6. That's a low profile standard model. Same motor as a Super M. Glad you found your missing screen. mike

bigd1101 08-27-2018 12:11 PM

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Hmmm......fire hazard huh? Sounds like I should take mine off then. No dirt/dusty roads for my girl anyway. Just wondering when filters were needed as these cars routinely ran on unpaved roads from the beginning? :confused:

slammin 08-27-2018 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by bigd1101 (Post 1668014)
Hmmm...... Just wondering when filters were needed as these cars routinely ran on unpaved roads from the beginning? :confused:

That was back when you could get the engine rebuilt for a few hundred dollars. Price having that work done today.

bigd1101 08-27-2018 12:29 PM

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So....is it filter on or filter off? Does an increased fire chance negate any future rebuild chances, when we all know A's like to backfire or can. I had one the other day in the garage. As one poster above stated.... " With a filter, that gas will accumulate in the filter body. If the engine happens to backfire, it will start that gas on fire. Safety issue."

A fire would be a game changer........or is fire talk overstated? If it's smart not to have one and Like I said, I run on dry asphalt roads.

bigd1101 08-27-2018 01:30 PM

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So, I'm looking at this........anyone using it? https://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-Ford-Mo...QAAOSw-PFagzgW

This one below says it has "flame arresting mesh" Looks like the one I have now......any thoughts on this claim?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1928-34-For....c100005.m1851

Mafman 08-27-2018 04:26 PM

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I have this one and love it. It's a bit more, but the filter is out of the way more than the one in your link.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-Model-A-Ford-Air-Filter-System-New-Hi-Boy-Lite-Weight-DESIGN/183367999661?hash=item2ab195a0ad:g:Y5oAAOSwwdpbayf 2

Ernie Vitucci 08-27-2018 05:59 PM

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Good afternoon...K & N makes a filter that will fit on your 'A'. It is much more fire resistant. I did drill a 3/16th drain in mine and it has been working just fine for a number of years...Ernie in Arizona

Synchro909 08-27-2018 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike Peters (Post 1667899)
Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't run air filters at all. We never run on gravel roads, so no dust. When you start your car with full choke, gas will drip from the carburetor. With a filter, that gas will accumulate in the filter body. If the engine happens to backfire, it will start that gas on fire. Safety issue.

Huh??? On ANY warm, dry day there will be dust on any road. Henry built the Model A as cheaply as he could. An air cleaner only prolonged the life of the engine, a benefit not realised till well after the car had been sold so not of much benefit to him Adding one would add to his expenses - something he fought hard to avoid.
I ask "If air cleaners are so useless, why does every modern car have one??"Same with oil filter. I agree that the wiere mesh type air "stainer" is near useless. I run a paper element filter mounted on the radiator stays and wouldn't consider going without one. It is very difficult to install any air filter because of the steering column. Very poor design.:(

old31 08-27-2018 08:05 PM

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Like Ernie, I also use the K&N filter and I drilled a couple of very small holes in the bottom in case gas filled up in there.

BILL WILLIAMSON 08-27-2018 08:25 PM

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Most any wire mesh will stop a flame in it's TRACKS!
Bill Safe

Tom Wesenberg 08-27-2018 11:22 PM

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Coat the wire mess by soaking it in oil and letting it drip, then install it. Oil traps and holds the dirt until you rinse it out in kerosene.

katy 08-28-2018 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Ernie Vitucci (Post 1668124)
Good afternoon...K & N makes a filter that will fit on your 'A'. It is much more fire resistant. I did drill a 3/16th drain in mine and it has been working just fine for a number of years...Ernie in Arizona

Got a picture to share? And/or a part #?

Ted Duke 08-28-2018 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by slammin (Post 1668018)
That was back when you could get the engine rebuilt for a few hundred dollars. Price having that work done today.


LOL Back when NO one had a few hundred dollars including the wall street tycoons.

160B 08-28-2018 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by katy (Post 1668358)
Got a picture to share? And/or a part #?

Here is a photo of the K&N I use on an original air maze.

CB919ER 08-28-2018 10:59 AM

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I don't run a filter, the roads are cleaner today than they were in the 20s

old31 08-28-2018 05:15 PM

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i have the exact setup as 160.

Synchro909 08-28-2018 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by 160B (Post 1668404)
Here is a photo of the K&N I use on an original air maze.

Thoise things are as useless as flyscreens for a submarine. They CANNOT be fitted here. The steering column is in the way and I'd prefer steering!

160B 08-28-2018 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Synchro909 (Post 1668583)
Thoise things are as useless as flyscreens for a submarine. They CANNOT be fitted here. The steering column is in the way and I'd prefer steering!

Not sure what you feel is worthless as a fly screen. This is a K&N air filter installed with an air maze housing, the original screen is not used.

And yes this is not suitable for a RH drive Model A due to the steering box interference.

SAJ 08-29-2018 05:43 AM

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3 Attachment(s)
Here are my K&N filters. RHD car so I fabricated right angle adaptors at full cross section out of sheet metal as shown in the third pic.
Some (most or Many???) say they are ugly. The oil filter certainly is. I think the more upturned one is cheekily cute! They catch a lot of dirt even on tarsealed roads. And I still get the same 22 to 24 mpg (larger imperial gallons) on a trip at 55 to 60 mph.
SAJ IN UK at present
PS I just noticed the glass filter bowl in the second pic is half full of water. I had a faulty tank cap, since fixed!

BILL WILLIAMSON 08-29-2018 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by CB919ER (Post 1668414)
I don't run a filter, the roads are cleaner today than they were in the 20s

Then how come filters in MODERN cars get FILTHY???
Bill W.

Y-Blockhead 08-29-2018 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by BILL WILLIAMSON (Post 1668791)
Then how come filters in MODERN cars get FILTHY???
Bill W.

How come the K&N on my Model A gets FILTHY??? :p:p I usually have my engine pans on also. K&N I use. You will have to extend the Air Maze rod.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1882/...c9015e4cce.jpg


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Originally Posted by SAJ (Post 1668715)
Here are my K&N filters. Some (most or Many???) say they are ugly. The oil filter certainly is.

If you use a WIX filter they don't show as much as they are painted black. Or paint your white one black or Ford green.

SAJ 08-29-2018 10:28 AM

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Y-Blockhead, the ones like yours that point down are not as ugly either. I have not found the correct adaptor in NZ so far. Plus I am always in a hurry to fit a new filter and get going. I forget to paint them and wait for them to dry. Plus again a vertical one can be filled right up before running. I can only fill mine about 2/3 full before fitting.
Then again oil pressure registers within seconds of start up on a new filter on my gauge.
When I get back to NZ I will make a concerted effort to find 2 right angle adaptors for my oil filters............maybe.
SAJ in Cornwall UK

Synchro909 08-29-2018 06:08 PM

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SAJ, I think vendors sell the adaptor you want. That said, I have grafted in right angled adaptors from other cars before today.

BILL WILLIAMSON 08-30-2018 12:10 PM

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I've seen Argentina cars, with home made plumbing & an Early Ford Oil Bath air cleaner, mounted at the right front of the engine
Bill W.

Mike V. Florida 08-31-2018 12:29 AM

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It was tired of being teased by the other Model A's and ran away.


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