Was there a 4 cylinder motor in 34
 

I thought I read that there were 4s in 34 and thinking about building a model of one,would they look similar to a A motor with the exception of a fuel pump. I can get plenty of A motors in 1/25 scale.

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Yes there was.
Model C. More like a B engine than an A,
but like an A enough for a model!
I think!

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add the fuel pump and eliminate the right side oil tube and your model will be close enough

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Also 3 bolt water pump.

Charlie Stephens

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C is a part number not an engine and does not mean it has a counter balanced crank shaft. It was and is a B engine. The only real difference between the 32 4 and the 34 4 was the exhaust manifold and water pump.

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Tony, take a look at post #5 to get the straight skinny on the mythical Model 'C' engine!

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'C' is not a part number. The part numbers of the '33-'34 four-cylinder engine had a '46' prefix. There was a Model C in England, but the misnomer for the '33-'34 four-cylinder engine evidently arose because of the letter 'C' cast into the top of all U.S. four-cylinder cylinder heads starting with the '32 models to distinguish the '32 head from the so-called high compression Model A head which had a 'B' cast into the top of it. It is kind of silly given the major physical differences between any Model A head (water pump attachment and water outlet on the Model A version) and the '32-'34 head. There are lots more differences between the '32 and '33-'34 four than just the exhaust manifold and water pump, but with the possible exception of the addition of a four-blade fan aren't important for modeling purposes, as indicated above.

The photos below are of a '33 four. The only difference on the '34 version was a slightly different generator and starter motor.

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If I may add the confusion to the misnomer was complicated by ford coming out with a counter balanced crankshaft. Coupled with the C on the head what else could it mean? In the end nothing. Those are nice pics with some rare parts.

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Thanks for the pictures,the motor looks very similar to a A motor and my concerns were if it had a down draft carb,different distributor,different water pump and lower radiator hose locations so I think I could use a motor from a A and just have to duplicate the air cleaner and will be close enough.

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Ford's part numbering and identification system was always evolving. The single alpha letter was to designate a change to that part. Ford later changed the design change indicator as a suffix at the end of a complete part number. The heads for the V8 sometimes had the single digit alpha letter, for example the ones in 1940 or so that just had a big A on them. Then on the post war engines they evolved to 59AB which gave both the engine designator and the design change.

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Actually you can skip the air cleaner as that was originally special equipment, optional at extra cost.

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David
Isn't that air cleaner the "Heavy Duty" cleaner used on V8"s as well?

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It looks like an A motor but is not. The oil pan is different as is the transmission mating area. Half the bell housing is part of the B pan. I also believe the torque tube length is different for V8 and four cylinder engines.

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TRUE.......'33 and '34 torque tubes and drive shafts for the 4-cylinder engines are 1-1/2" shorter than their V8 equivalents. In other words, the '33-'34 4-cylinder engine was 1-1/2" LONGER than a V8 engine. This was NOT true for '32 D-shafts and T-tubes. DD

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https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/attac...p;d=1518125211
I took this photo back in 1975 and it shows a 4 cylinder Australian 1934 Ford Roadster. It was one of two 4 cylinder 1934 Ford Roadsters at this event. I have not seen this car since.

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https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/attac...p;d=1518125805https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/attac...p;d=1518125805
This is the second 4 cylinder 1934 Ford Roadster that attended the Run back in 1975, as mentioned in the above Post. The top photo shows the owner driving at this event in 1975 while the bottom photo was taken in 1978. The car still exists, but is now a Street Rod and the 4 cylinder engine has been replaced by a Flathead V8.

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There are two Auz 4s here trying to get pics

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David, was the 32 exhaust swept back design a one year thing. The 4 in your pic seems to have a exh manifold going straight down.

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I am not going to get very picky,I will use a V8 trans since the A trans could be different and add a fuel pump and try to duplicate that air cleaner and that will be about it.

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Robert,

The basic oil bath canister is the same, but the 'plumbing' and mounting bracket were the same. This is the second version of an oil bath air cleaner for the fours and was released very late in the '32 model year. The first one mounted on the firewall and required removal of part of the engine splash pan.

Jim,

Yes, the slanted exit of the '32 B exhaust manifold was a one-model-year thing. That shown carries a 46-prefix part number, but is interchangeable with the Model A version and became the service part for the As. It has slightly different contours where it curves downward compared to the Model A production version.

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Here's a photo of a RHD four-cylinder '34 roadster that I bought in Argentina in the mid-90s.

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Could those 4 cylinder cars even go 55,I would think they would had steeper gears then the ones with V8s.

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These black and whites ,or rough cars have an appeal of there own ,Ted

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https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/attac...p;d=1518133936
Here is an enlarged photo of the 34 Ford Roadster that David bought in Argentina.

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@ Junkyardjeff
The 33 Fordor we now own was driven by the former owner to high school in 1965, he said (and if he's lying then I am) that he regularly could get rubber even in second gear!!! After having our motor rebuilt we ran it in a friends Model A cutdown andI can tell you for sure A) if you were not careful it would break the tires loose and B) We got pulled over one time for doing 80. Granted the "A" cutdown was way lighter but that thing would natural born fly!!!!

David
I am absolutely s salivating at the Argentine 34 Roadster, the patina of that car is just fantastic. If that car were still around in that condition I feel confidant I would be either divorced or working 24hr's a day to own that beauty!!!!

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Didn't the AMT Deuce Roadster have a Banger in it? Could save a lot of work.
Wayno

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There was one on display at Atlanta's Stone Mountain several years ago, a red roadster 4cyl.

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https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/attac...p;d=1518168982https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/attac...p;d=1518168982
I had the opportunity of buying this 1934 four cylinder Ford Sedan back in 1971. The price was right, but my mum said that I couldn't bring any more cars home. It was real tidy, and still had the old "Q" Plate on the rear.

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The 33-34 B engines have a different front timing gear cover, crank pulley, water pump, and front motor mount from 32 B's. These parts make the front of the motor shorter to clear the rear sloping radiator. But that's not all!
33-34 B equipped cars (and pickups) have a shorter torque tube and drive shaft. (1 5/8 inches). The transmission mount outer ring is reversed so that the mount ears move foreword, allowing the transmission to move rearward 1 5/8".
The hole in the transmission cover will need to be altered also.
I'm sure there's more, but that should give pause for thought.

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And a unique stamped steel toe board as well as '32 type choke and throttle knobs and threaded chrome-plated bezels on the dash as both controls were cables, not rods.

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mercman , what a nice old 34 if mum said no you should have asked a grandmother or aunty

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I finally found my photo of the '33-'34 four-cylinder toe boards (both LHD and RHD) and a RHD four cylinder transmission cover.