Were any of the 40 sedan deliveries built as standards
 

All I have seen them as were deluxes but since they were officially trucks I would have thought they would have came as standards,I am going to build a model of one as a standard and was curious if they were ever made.

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Ford made a ' Standard, ' Sedan Delivery in 1939. They made a ' Standard ' Station Wagon in 1939 and 40, can't be sure about the Standard Sedan Delivery for 1940.

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I believe the 41 sedan delivery had 40 std grill & hood.

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Ford offered only the DeLuxe Sedan Delivery for model year 1940.

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I recently saw a nicely restored '40 standard sedan delivery in Lafayette, Ca. It was restored from a nice original.

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FWIW my truck book says for 1940: " The attractive new Sedan Delivery styling was based on the 1940 Deluxe passenger car line."

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Not an authentic restoration by any means. As has been stated accurately in a previous post, no such vehicle was built by Ford in 1940.

Is there a chance what you had witnessed was actually a panel truck?

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As KUBE notes above, you may have seen a "PANEL DELIVERY", and they were built in a "standard-ish" front end guise as seen below. DD

http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6231/6...96541456_z.jpg

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This discussion is also on the HAMB, and a very knowledgeable Ford owner states that 740 standard '40 sedan deliveries were made, according to Ford archives. One is pictured that has been authenticated. Not trying to ruffle any feathers, but this subject is something I have also have been curious about. :)

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I don't have access to my records until I get home late this evening. I'll check at that time.
I suppose the possibility exists that a few were manufactured but as memory serves (oh oh) I don't recall that being the case.

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The photo posted on the HAMB shows a profile shot, I'd like to see the front end. Regardless, without seeing the "documentation" a Standard grille and hood could have been added at any time.
The numbers I have access to show 4101 85 hp, 114 95 hp and 722 60 hp built, all Deluxe.
The same source, Lorin Sorensen's "The Commercial Fords" has the production numbers for 1940 Panel Deliveries shown as incomplete. Two things come to mind- the 112" wheelbase Panel used the Standard car grille and headlamp doors both painted body color and also Sorensen (RIP) is considered to have been an excellent researcher. Could those 740 Standards have in actuality been 112" wb Panel Deliveries?

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The panel delivery type is be based on the commercial pickup which resembles the standard 1940 passenger cars to some degree but taller in the doors with the more pickup like cab. I think Budd made the bodies for this low production stuff. This leads to some of the confusion. The sedan delivery types were based on passenger cars which for 1940, would have been deluxe models. It would not be too God awful difficult to switch. Ford could be fickle about stuff like this so nothing would surprise me much. Maybe late 1940 and early 1941 models get mixed up.

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I know about the panel trucks with the pick up front sheetmetal that look like a 40 standard but was curious about the sedan deliveries,now were there any 39 deluxe sedan deliveries made.

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Here is a photo of a 1939 Ford Sedan Delivery. They also made 1940 standard deliveries.

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No it was not a panel delivery, it was a sedan delivery. I'm well aware of the difference between the two.

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in the event someone has an incorrect sedan delivery.. Id gladly accept your inaccurate restoration and gladly restore it to its appropriate trim, whatever that happens to be..

I don't know if 40 standards were available.. and frankly I don't care.. 40 Deliveries are so cool no matter what clip they wear.

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The one that "is pictured that has been authenticated" also has what appears to be '58 Ford hubcaps. Hardly a convincing situation.

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I am wanting to build models of versions that the model companies did not produce,if a 40 standard delivery was made then I want to build one and if a 39 deluxe delivery was made I also want to build one. I know with plastic anything is possible but not wanting to build what ifs right now.

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Until an official Ford factory photo or even just a period photo of a 1940 Standard Delivery surfaces I'll stand by my statements.

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what is the difference between a panel delivery and a sedan delivery

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The Panel Delivery will have two rear doors and the Sedan Delivery only one. And while the 112" wheelbase Panel I mentioned previously looks to use the automobile hood that is not the case. The truck cowl is different and the rear of the hood has a different shape to fit the larger cowl.

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The sedan delivery was styled more after a car while the panel delivery was styled after the truck line. I think the problem is that the two are commonly misnamed. I see SD's called PD's and PD's called SD's. I also see many SD'd labeled as "Deluxe" and I wonder if that isn't just tacked on because they were more deluxe than the panel deliveries.

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The deluxe and panel labels may have started with the Model A. Ford called the car-style delivery deluxe and the truck-ish one panel.

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Also the Panel has the spare tire embedded into the passenger side.

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Both are 112" WB. the Panel has an outside spare tire and tail light on the rear door and larger interior. The Sedan delivery has the spare tire inside and tail light on the fender the interior is about 8" shorter and nearly 10" shorter in height, than the Panel.

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Terry, the taillight on the sedan delivery mounts on a stand on the left corner of the body.

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Okay guys, I had a chance to go through all of the pertinent documents I have in my library respective of exactly what Ford built in 1940. There are no records of a Ford V8 (aka "Standard") SEDAN DELIVERY being built.
Until someone can find some documentation that states otherwise, I will have to continue to believe no such vehicle was built.
The so called "authentication" of the vehicle witnessed (earlier post) I believe to be contrived.
Authenticated by who?
It is simple to swap the respective parts from the Ford V8 model to the Deluxe - absolutely simple. I have no doubt that's what was witnessed as "authenticated".

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My guess is that the 1941 sedan delivery messes with folks head since it looks like a cross between a 1941 pickup and a 1940 standard. Too many folks assume things are correct without doing the due diligence and actually finding the documentation. Some of the real early 1941 SDs may have been sold and titled as 1940 models by mistake. Some states titled stuff the year that you did the transaction and not for the model year of the vehicle.

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Found this on the HAMB. For your viewing pleasure.

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That is a '41 SD as witnessed by the trim on the hood and the recessed gas filler. While not as clean as the gas door on later models the 1941 was better looking than the more prominent filler on the '40.

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The 112" Panel was mentioned because it used the Pickup front styling, as compared to the 122" and 134" wb Panels that used the truck front end styling.

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From what I have gleaned from this thread, chances are, if you see a 1940 Ford Standard Sedan delivery, it will probably be sitting next to a 1940 Ford Standard Convertible Coupe!

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I have seen 40 std. deliveries. However, I CANNOT testify as to the originality.

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I have also seen 40 V8 (std) convertibles but I don't think they were assembled by Ford. My original 40 Showroom price poster only shows the Convertible Club Coupe listed with the Deluxe cars, not the V8, or V8 60 list.
Too bad Commercial vehicles aren't listed too.

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The cowl is different on a 39 standard vs a 39 deluxe,and would be a hard one to convert.

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In looking for supporting information , there is a paragraph on page 140 of ' The Classy Ford V8 ' by Lorin Sorensen. It states that after 1940 , ALL Ford bodies, were made by Ford and Lincoln. The caption on page 112 indicates that the 1939 Sedan Delivery bodies were made by Briggs. Other information in the same book, and others, indicate that 35,36,37,and 38 Sedan Delivery bodies were also built by Briggs. The caption on page 114 indicates that 1940 Sedan Delivery bodies were body by Ford. The change in who was to build the body of the Sedan Delivery after 1939, may have something to do with Deluxe models only, after 1939. Briggs had used mostly Standard model bodies, but when Ford took over, they used a new, clean slate, thus their switch to Deluxe. Interesting enough, the V8 60 was only available in one Deluxe model in 1940 - the Sedan Delivery.

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Deuce,

No V8 1940 convertibles were built by Ford. However, a number of them did get built with the 60HP engine. I was never able to find out why but did find proof that a number were built.
And of course a few (111) were built with the Mercury engine.

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Well, that statement will probably get the attention of a few. I'll cook-up a batch of popcorn. DD

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I suppose I could have been a bit more clear although I know you knew exactly what I meant.
For the less informed... Ford did not build a "standard" in 1940. Rather, they built a "Ford V8" model.
By 1940 Ford insisted that the dealers / salesmen no longer referred to their lower cost model as a 'standard" as it simply sounded "cheap".
Instead, they were to be properly referred to as the "Ford V8".

By the way Coopman, I am glad you are able to make popcorn. I understand you live all too close to the catastrophe unfolding in and around the Houston area.
Stay safe please...

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Thanks Kube......we managed to keep the popcorn dry during the last six days or so. We just got word that Mickey D's is open across the lake for a couple of hours as limited supplies last. Momma is off on a Golden Arches run as we haven't had Mickey Burgers in well over a week. Everything has been closed except for a VERY few gas stations since Friday. With the flooding, it's probably going to be very slow getting businesses re-supplied to operate. DD