Asbestos In Cars
 

I think we have a few Aus. members on this forum and this Hemmings news item does not sound good for anyone considering importing a collector vehicle there. Apparently asbestos is going to be a big problem.
https://www.hemmings.com/blog/2017/0...ia/?refer=news

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Asbestos is a natural occurring element. I'll bet there is plenty of it floating around in Australia just as a natural element. What little comes in on cars is probably miniscule compared to what occurs naturally.

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I guess a person would gave to get a high dollar tester to check the brake shoe linings since that's about the only use of asbestos in automotive applications. Typical government knee jerk reaction to a non-problem. There may still be a few cars out there that have the old brake shoes but I doubt there are a lot of them.

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An elephant is a mouse...... built to government specifications..... Mark

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No need to bring facts into the issue. Because the issue is not asbestos, it's CONTROL! As long as people will put up with it, it will just get worse.

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You nailed it 4t8v8! No different than the so called 'Green' movement and climate change/global warming. It has nothing to do with the climate/weather/environment. It's all about social engineering and big/more government! Orwell was a genius....

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Asbestos (and it's removal) is one of the biggest scams perpetuated on the American (and now Aussie) public. JMO
Paul in CT

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Exhaust gaskets too. They are super fussy about it and it gets expensive.
Quote" According to an account by Australian collector car importer Terry Healy that received widespread attention across Australia – and that may have prompted the ABF to issue its notice – extensive testing on the 1965 Ford Mustang and 1966 Shelby G.T. 350 he had shipped to Australia earlier this year cost roughly $15,000, caused $12,000 in damages due to destructive testing of samples from the two cars, and led to the seizure of a number of parts found to contain asbestos, among them the brake pads, brake shoes, exhaust manifold gaskets, and exhaust pipe gaskets. "

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Asbestos is no good for the average Joe. However, asbestos exposure and smoking are a deadly combination. I agree the way asbestos risk has been managed and the lawyering up is a big scam.

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Many years ago, when I was a Ford mechanic, it was common to clean the brake backing plates with compressed air, scattering the asbestos particles. Now, in our shop, we use a water hose for the job. The other source of asbestos was the clutch disk, but it was contained in the clutch housing. As asbestos is very dangerous if inhaled. Most, if not all, of the mechanics that worked on the "brake rack" back then perished from lung cancer! Being careful is not a scam!

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I'm sure it's not good for us but from the way it sounds we should all be dead. Didn't everyone's Mom or Grandmother has the big asbestos covered hot plate thing on the stove and a asbestos lined ironing board cover? Where did all the brake shoe and clutch disk material go from all the cars over the years. All of our schools had the plumbing and heating wrapped with it hanging over our heads. Don't get me wrong as I don't think it's good for us. Was just a rant on my part but I'm tired of this generation having to put the planet back to the dinosaur age. Don't intend to derail this thread but the world needs to look at irresponsible overpopulation. JMO

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That's a very easy thing to say when you're not the guy who has been diagnosed with a physical disability due to exposure to the stuff in the workplace. Ask me how I know!!:mad:

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I believe that asbestos is bad and I also know that there's other things just as bad that aren't hammered like asbestos here. Years ago I heard that other countries in the world don't regulate asbestos like we do but have similar regulations for fiberglass insulation that we do for asbestos. I worked as a carpenter in my younger years stuffing fiberglass insulation...sometimes without any breathing protection. I was involved in a asbestos insulation removal from retorts at a salmon cannery in Alaska years ago. We had air hoses going to our suits, the area was contained in visqueen and vacuum fans were sucking through filters. The insulation was double bagged and sealed and labeled and hauled off to somewhere. I think this asbestos thing is way overblown.

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I just received the following email on this subject:-

What a load of BS this is. As a Certified Hazardous Material Inspector (by the EPA in 1987) I can tell you that the only time asbestos is hazardous is when it is "firable" or can easily crumble and become dust or very fine particles. The problem with asbestos is that it can become "super-fine", or so small it manages to reach the farthest interior parts of the lungs and remains there.

So parts like gaskets, etc., are not a problem until someone takes them out and grinds them into dust, etc.

The biggest problem encountered back in '87 when I took the training was trying to keep vigilante groups from coming into schools, etc. to perform their own "removal actions". I heard stories of some who came into schools with rakes and garden hoes and the like to rip the stuff off the walls and ceilings where it then became the dust that is the problem. They should have left it alone and there would not have been a problem if it was deemed necessary to remove it, at which time the correct methods could have been used. I heard of some schools that had to be closed because the vigilantes made such a mess with their good intentions.

Another thing I learned was that asbestos was used in something like 3200 various building materials back in the 1950s and '60s.

MM

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there is differing kinds of asbestos and some of them are more dangerous than others. As said up thread its the dust that's dangerous. when we had asbestos removed from our house we had to double wrap it in thick polythene and tape it up with tape saying asbestos on it. the local govt. agreed to take it and dispose of it, I asked what they actually done with it and he said they buried it - the reason for the tape was so that if it was ever dug up then whoever dug it up would know it was asbestos, the double wrapping was only to try and stop any loose stuff getting into the air and possibly affecthing those handling it.

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I worked in oil refineries as a pipe fitter for years. We most always had insulators working around us and the asbestos insulation at times looked like snow there was so much flying around. I understand that it is dangerous. But when I see on TV a hazardous waste crew coming into a home remodeling project and charging thousands of dollars to remove one asbestos covered pipe or duct I wonder where common sense went.

Anything the government controls soon gets out of control cost wise.

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Simply put, it means JOBS, JOBS, JOBS.
As you probably know, Ford Australia ceased manufacturing in October 2016. In October this year, General Motors Holden will build their last cars. That means no more local manufacturing of cars in Australia. Now, what to do with all these people who have lost their jobs through no fault of their own? We have to be creative and think up new jobs. As easy target is the old car enthusiast. Employ a special guy or team to remove Asbestos from secondhand collector cars coming in, and you have created a job. On the same theme as JOBS, my mate bought a near new home which had an above ground swimming pool which he, his wife, kids and grandkids never used. He put an Ad on eBay and the pool got sold. When the pool guy came to remove it, he was told that he had to notify the Council that the pool was gone. When he contacted the Council, he was referred to another company who handled swimming pools. The cost to come out and do a Report to Council was $500. You would have thought that a simple before and after photo would have sufficed, but no, they needed an official Report. It all comes down to JOBS. If we cannot create a Job that makes something, we need to be inventive and create a Job just so someone has employment. Don't worry about the consequences or flow on effect. This is exactly what has happened with this Asbestos issue. The average old house would have a truckload of Asbestos, but being creative, attack the old car collector. Australia is fast becoming a country of regulations. The only people that seem to be making money are the Lawyers.

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And I'll bet some of those bureaucrats working in an older office building typing out new regulations have asbestos floor tile under their carpet.

Lonnie

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Come on, guys,depending on your politics you can make a big deal out of this or a not so big deal.

Asbestos is hazardous. That is a fact. It can kill you. End of story.

But. . . There is one hydrogen of hydrogenation between Talcum Powder and Asbestos. Fact. So all that talc you might throw on your babies contains a little bit of asbestos.

If you worked in a shipyard, or served in the Navy in the engine room (as I did), or a worked in a furnace place or some of those other places where you were exposed to it on regular basis you had high hazard.

But, the ambulance chasers caught on and that is why we, who have little exposure potential, have to deal with it.

Don't blame government controls for protection from nasty stuff for the costs. Blame the entrepreneur lawyers for seeing a way to make a bundle.

but that is just my take on the situation.

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It is not necessarily the issue of asbestos in these old cars, it is the way that they are attacking the so called problem.

http://www.ferraris-online.com/pages...FOC_201707_SS2

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Guess I'll go visit H.A.M.B. and find that thread of 'Vintage Shots From Days Gone By'. Already there.

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This whole issue is a knee jerk reaction after the horse has bolted.
You see, Australia has announced a recall of some 23 000 cars produced by Chinese brands Great Wall and Chery due to asbestos having been found in certain vehicles. The Australian Competition and Consumer Commission (ACCC) has explained that the asbestos is located in the engine and exhaust gaskets. More than 50,000 Great Walls were sold in Australia between 2009 and 2015, but the budget-priced utes and SUVs are not currently being imported, with the trickle of sales this year representing the clearing of stock.
Had the government people overseeing the importation of motor vehicles into Australia been alert, this problem would have been picked up before thousands of suspect vehicles entered the country. However, it wasn't, and now these same people are picking on the casual importer of second hand collector cars from any part of the world. If you read the Attachment in my earlier Post, you will see that they are "attacking" these cars with little regard to the damage they are causing. The poor Collector Car enthusiast is left to clean up the mess with no chance of compensation for loss or damage.

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Yes it seems a big issue no Doubt this came from someone beating up their importance in their new job.. it's would be like pissin in an ocean. But this sort of shit is common place in Australia now pfft!

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I am led to believe this crack down by the government started when it was discovered that some of the new cars that were / are imported from china contained asbestos.

Apparently any item in china that contains less than 10% of asbestos is deemed asbestos free. Different regulations to here.

Crazy part is that back in the 30's thru to the 60's probably 20% of all the houses and factories built had corrugated asbestos roofs on them and a lot of them are still there and we are worrying about a few gaskets and brake linings.

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There has been some grumblings a year or so ago about one of the old asbestos mines up in Canada being reopened and operated by a Chinese company. I don't know where that issue stands today but asbestos is not an easy mineral to source any more. most mines were shut down due to the health issues.

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I would not deny that asbestos is bad. Smoking is bad (unless it's marijuana it seems) as are many other regulated things. If we are going to actually be safety minded lets park our cars. These gasoline powered four wheel buggies we are so fond of cause more death and destruction than all the above combined. The most dangerous thing you can do is start your car and pull out on the highway. We need lots more regulations, I guess?

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So, the obvious question to follow along with this post is what about all the antique cars already on the road in Oz spewing asbestos into the environment? What's next? Bill

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Hey mercman from oz, thank you for the explanation. Makes it clear. I grew up on asbestos. Both grandparents had it on pipes in their basement. There were places that were fractured. I spent two years doing homework in Grandpop's basement. Later garage and gas station service maintenance ( brake dust, battery corrosion, etc. ) for fourteen years. Always able to get black dust, nasal goo when using a tissue. Same thing from expectorating. I guess the non-filter cigarettes protected me.

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Yes, that was my thought on the Hemmings article. They can still import collector vehicles but the hassle and expense of the required asbestos inspections will make it more trouble than most want to endure. Not to mention damage to the vehicles from the inspections.

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I hope these "nut jobs" here in California don't see this article. They will pass a law to inspect every old car here for asbestos! It will be another way for them to charge a "fee" for the inspection.

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Next, they will be pulling over old cars and asking to see proof of asbestos free certification.

That's going to be expensive to comply with.

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fortyonerag, best not to mention things like that on the media otherwise we will all be off the road mate. Regards, Kevin.

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Asbestos is a dirty word. When I was employed in the mining sector in Australia, in places where there was asbestos present, they'd put up warning signs which read; Caution Fibrous material. And that was it! That's how they dealt with it.

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Inhaling the dust is very dangerous.
In Australia there was a large company making wall sheeting and corrugated roof sheeting called "Fibro" which is asbestos cement, sawing and grinding this stuff produces a fine powder which if inhaled is dangerous.
There are millions of houses (made in the 1950s) in this country that have fibro walls and roofs and providing you don't go around grinding and sniffing them it is completely safe, in fact a lot of those houses collect rainwater from the roofs today.
The government have panicked and decided we can't be trusted to handle it properly, consequently we now have "blanket" protection even though most vehicle asbestos is in areas that are not easily accessed.
There are lots of other things in cars that are dangerous and have to be handled properly,.... acid, petrol is carcenagenic, coolant additives, oil.
Fortunately we are civilised enough to know what not to eat or sniff (breathe).
We are lucky to have governments looking after us eh!

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Inhaling the dust is very dangerous.
In Australia there was a large company making wall sheeting and corrugated roof sheeting called "Fibro" which is asbestos cement, sawing and grinding this stuff produces a fine powder which if inhaled is dangerous.
There are millions of houses (made in the 1950s) in this country that have fibro walls and roofs and providing you don't go around grinding and sniffing them it is completely safe, in fact a lot of those houses collect rainwater from the roofs today.
The government have panicked and decided we can't be trusted to handle it properly, consequently we now have "blanket" protection even though most vehicle asbestos is in areas that are not easily accessed.
There are lots of other things in cars that are dangerous and have to be handled properly,.... acid, petrol is carcenagenic, coolant additives, oil.
Fortunately we are civilised enough to know what not to eat or sniff (breathe).
We are lucky to have governments looking after us eh!

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Being rather tall (since i was a kid apparently) I remember as a youngster scraping this "crumbly sh*t" off the low ceiling of this church hall with my finger nails when I was probably "bored". Later on I realized it was an asbestos based coating that has long since been banned from the building industry...... guess I'll be dead soon. If the asbestos don't get me the Almighty might for "desecrating" his house.

GB

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This really grates me! Lead is dangerous too....it attacks the brain cells and dumbs us down...so remove it from gasoline and paint and we've gotta be smarter right? So now we'll put cyanide in paint but that's ok?
I have recently been on a very expensive exercise trying to get brakes in my 35 Ford with mechanical brakes...have tried several non asbestos lining materials, none of which worked. Have finally scored some old woven asbestos linings which works fantastic. So, what to do when that stuff runs out? guess I'll have to convert to hydraulics.

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I would. Asbestos is actually a trade name, there are different minerals under the name, that have different characteristics, but one thing they have in common is that there is no practical substitute, and it is very useful stuff. Very sad. Certain precautions need to be taken, but banning the stuff entirely is crazy.

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I stand by what I said. I won't deny Asbestos is bad. 'Cause I don't know. It seems Asbestos, motor oil, tobacco smoke (not marijuana though) will kill you if you live in California. Ever read the disclaimers on a prescription medicine instruction sheet. Sheesh! The medicine is more deadly than the disease? It's all our tax dollars and lawyers at work.