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Midnightcaper 11-19-2016 05:48 PM

Motor build cost.
 

Curious as to how much money u all have into your flatheads. Whether it be stock or modified.

40cpe 11-19-2016 06:41 PM

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Most of us are afraid to know, we might talk in our sleep.

I'm out just under $4000 for my 276 '50 Mercury engine. That includes cleaning, mag test, pressure test, turn crank, bore (includes one sleeve), balanced, deck the block, surface the heads, new hi flow valves, new guides, new LZ springs, new seats, hollow adjustable lifters, pistons, rings, resize rods, regrind cam, all new bearings, gaskets, 95% filter parts. I still have carburetion to go after it is broken in. I did the assembly myself with plenty of advice from the generous folks here on the 'Barn. Now add rebuilt clutch, transmission rebuild parts, electric fan, clean and add 2 outlets to radiator, rewire the engine compt and it turns into an expensive project.

51504bat 11-19-2016 06:55 PM

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The stocker rebuild for my 8ba ran around 3 grand. That included mag test, sonic test, boring, hot tanking, decking the block, surfacing and blasting the heads, all new internals (from Red's), new french rods from SoCal, rebuilt pumps from Skip, all new valve assembly (Chevy valves) and one seat, plus assembly of the short block. The crank didn't need to be turned. This doesn't include the carb rebuild that I had Charlie N.Y. do a while ago, the Bubba Chevy diizze, or the 4 row radiator from the Brass Works. Add those costs and you're looking at over $4500.00. That said it sure runs good.

Kube 11-19-2016 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by 40cpe (Post 1387390)
Most of us are afraid to know, we might talk in our sleep.

I'm out just under $4000 for my 276 '50 Mercury engine. That includes cleaning, mag test, pressure test, turn crank, bore (includes one sleeve), balanced, deck the block, surface the heads, new hi flow valves, new guides, new LZ springs, new seats, pistons, rings, resize rods, regrind cam, all new bearings, gaskets, 95% filter parts. I still have carburetion to go after it is broken in. I did the assembly myself with plenty of advice from the generous folks here on the 'Barn. Now add rebuilt clutch, transmission rebuild parts, electric fan, clean and add 2 outlets to radiator, rewire the engine compt and it turns into an expensive project.

Sounds to be in the ball park. Doing a rebuild properly can easily go between $4k & $5k.

Midnightcaper 11-19-2016 09:24 PM

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Wow that all seems pretty cheap I'm at 12k. No regrinds only used part is the block.

40cpe 11-19-2016 09:37 PM

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And what does 12K buy you?

47COE 11-19-2016 09:45 PM

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About 7 or 8 years ago a rebuild of my stock 59ab cost somewhere between $3000 and $4000.

Midnightcaper 11-19-2016 09:47 PM

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A built 8ba with all new internals heads intake strombergs.
Pistons rods are new crank 4 1/8th slingshot intake custom grind cam from new blank not that isky stuff. And all the knowledge can absorb building the motor next to a master flathead builder. And pretty sure I'll get one of the first aluminum blocks when casting starts.

deuce_roadster 11-19-2016 10:04 PM

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My stockers run about 4-5k, others about 10k. Upper amount includes extra machine work, valve bowl work, larger valves, port matched intake manifolds, proprietary cams, lifter/springs, Ross pistons, NOS rods, crank work if Merc or Scat crank as is, balance, run in on test stand re-torque everything 3 heat/cold cycles, hand made headers, cermachrome coatings on intake, headers, all ARP fasteners, new heads, chrome pan, ignition, new water pumps, system 1 remote oil filter or spin on. In this area, that is what it costs for premium machine work. Blower motors are 2-3 times as much.

Midnightcaper 11-19-2016 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by deuce_roadster (Post 1387470)
My stockers run about 4-5k, others about 10k. Upper amount includes extra machine work, valve bowl work, larger valves, port matched intake manifolds, proprietary cams, lifter/springs, Ross pistons, NOS rods, crank work if Merc or Scat crank as is, balance, run in on test stand re-torque everything 3 heat/cold cycles, hand made headers, cermachrome coatings on intake, headers, all ARP fasteners, new heads, chrome pan, ignition, new water pumps, system 1 remote oil filter or spin on. In this area, that is what it costs for premium machine work. Blower motors are 2-3 times as much.

Exactly the route I'm going.

Mr. Will 11-19-2016 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by deuce_roadster (Post 1387470)
My stockers run about 4-5k, others about 10k. Upper amount includes extra machine work, valve bowl work, larger valves, port matched intake manifolds, proprietary cams, lifter/springs, Ross pistons, NOS rods, crank work if Merc or Scat crank as is, balance, run in on test stand re-torque everything 3 heat/cold cycles, hand made headers, cermachrome coatings on intake, headers, all ARP fasteners, new heads, chrome pan, ignition, new water pumps, system 1 remote oil filter or spin on. In this area, that is what it costs for premium machine work. Blower motors are 2-3 times as much.

deuce_roadster,
Can I ask who is doing the machine work for you? I'm just down the road from you.

tubman 11-19-2016 10:18 PM

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I am just finishing a 258" complete rebuild with a .010/.010 crank and stock rods, Speedway 1/8" over pistons, etc. It does have an Isky Max-1 cam. With the Offenhauser heads and one of my carburetor setups (2 different four barrel combinations and a couple of dual carb setups), I will be into this engine for less than 2K. The one caveat here is that I have owned some of this stuff for a while, so the "Present Value" equation doesn't work out.

I have a couple of other 8BA's that just need a "ring 'n valve" that I will be in for a lot less than this. Other than "Heavy" machine work (boring crank grinding, etc) I do all of my own work.

You can go "1-800-Credit Card" or sit and watch what is available. Your choice.

Scott H in Wheaton 11-19-2016 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Midnightcaper (Post 1387369)
Curious as to how much money u all have into your flatheads. Whether it be stock or modified.

This may not qualify, but I bought a used 1940 engine for my truck.
Cleaned and painted everything in my garage. Like others, got pounds of crap out of the water jackets. All new gaskets. Got it running a couple years ago.
I have about $1000 in it including the water pumps and coil rebuild, but not including the Reds headers.
Attachment 295020
If I blow it up I'll probably do another used engine freshen-up.

Midnightcaper 11-19-2016 10:40 PM

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I am doing the assembly next to him. The 1-800 credit card comment cracks me up. If I wanted a stocker that's what I would build but this is far from it. My block is fully machined. I still haven't decided if I want to move the outside exhaust ports, not sure if I want to go that route or not.

Midnightcaper 11-19-2016 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Scott H in Wheaton (Post 1387486)
This may not qualify, but I bought a used 1940 engine for my truck.
Cleaned and painted everything in my garage. Like others, got pounds of crap out of the water jackets. All new gaskets. Got it running a couple years ago.
I have about $1000 in it including the water pumps and coil rebuild, but not including the Reds headers.
Attachment 295020
If I blow it up I'll probably do another used engine freshen-up.

Scott that looks very nice!

Ol' Ron 11-19-2016 11:32 PM

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Moving the exhaust ports doesn't add much, if anything, save your money. I think some of you should read the " Practical flathead". When I see prices like this, I sometimes think I should go back ti building them. However, I help a few friends build them and I see the cost have gone up allot. Most of my 276 engines went fro around 3 grand, some less, some more. Depending what he buyer furnished. There was allot of used stuff around back then and tha brought the price down. I did my own boring for 100 bucks and had a shop fit the pistons. I did all the porting and valve work and assy for 500 dollars. That went up to 600 later. The dollar doesn't buy as much as it did back then and there were allot of machine shops. My crank grinder was 80 dollars and balancing for 125 to 150 depend ing on rods. I did allot of street balancing back then to save the costomer some cash. Give the balancer one piston, rod, rings and bearings and just spin the crank. Most engines had good rods back then ah Egge pistons are well balanced. Knurelling the stock guides and putting a few shims under the stock springs and the L-100 cam ( re grind the stock cam $80) PAW valves were $3 IN,$5 EX And I under cut them myself. The list goes on but, but there's always the Greed factor that you can't compinsate for.

PS Horsepower ran from 135 to 150.

deuce_roadster 11-19-2016 11:50 PM

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My figures were for my own NOS blocks and everything else new. I have one NOS 59 series block left for a spare for 3 cars I have with that series engine and a couple of used 21 stud LB engines for spares for my 33 in case I ever need them. Of course you can find a running engine for a few hundred bucks, hone and re ring and put new bearings in it and get a fair bit of life out of it, but for new and as good as you can get it--it is expensive. It all depends on what you want in the end. Also, I am talking about the present, not the past.

Midnightcaper 11-20-2016 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by deuce_roadster (Post 1387514)
My figures were for my own NOS blocks and everything else new. I have one NOS 59 series block left for a spare for 3 cars I have with that series engine and a couple of used 21 stud LB engines for spares for my 33 in case I ever need them. Of course you can find a running engine for a few hundred bucks, hone and re ring and put new bearings in it and get a fair bit of life out of it, but for new and as good as you can get it--it is expensive. It all depends on what you want in the end. Also, I am talking about the present, not the past.

Agreed as good as u can get brings the cost up.

Midnightcaper 11-20-2016 12:46 AM

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I think a lot has to do with where your at. I could be wrong but up here in the pnw I don't believe there is as many flathead enthusiasts as in other places. I will take the chance to apologize if I came off as a "ass". Please understand I'm just very passionate about these motors and my dream is to become a great engine builder for them. As I get older I realize we live in a world where the youth is interested in a hot hatchback,that's just not me. When I saw my first flathead I just had to know how it works and what I could do to make it better. I do value everyone's input and comments. I thank you fine gentleman for any input,ideas and tricks of the trade.

richard crow 11-20-2016 07:42 AM

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still wounder why you see lots of early fords with chevy engs.

corvette8n 11-20-2016 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by richard crow (Post 1387570)
still wounder why you see lots of early fords with chevy engs.

I think it's the hot rod magazine mentality, plus a lot of John Q Public were told flatheads overheated, and were all cracked. You don't know how many times I've heard at a car show "doesn't that overheat on you" to the flathead owner.

PeterC 11-20-2016 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by deuce_roadster (Post 1387470)
My stockers run about 4-5k, others about 10k. Blower motors are 2-3 times as much.

And I can attest above is just the beginning if you really get into extracting most HP and going "all out" parts and performance!:eek:

texas webb 11-20-2016 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by richard crow (Post 1387570)
still wounder why you see lots of early fords with chevy engs.

Easy,cheap,less work and spare parts in most auto corner stores.But nothing beats the look and sound of a flathead.

flatford8 11-20-2016 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by texas webb (Post 1387602)
Easy,cheap,less work and spare parts in most auto corner stores.But nothing beats the look and sound of a flathead.

Two and half times the horse power for half the money and its delivered to your door...... Mark

apba12m 11-20-2016 11:30 AM

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I have 6K listed on the excel spread sheet, but that includes a couple of purchased engines that ended up being scrap and one good spare block. expensive lessons..

Midnightcaper 11-20-2016 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by apba12m (Post 1387647)
I have 6K listed on the excel spread sheet, but that includes a couple of purchased engines that ended up being scrap and one good spare block. expensive lessons..

what is all new or reused?

19Fordy 11-20-2016 12:06 PM

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All you folks building nice looking flatty's, please take a look at my
8BA coil bracket support to make your build "spiffy".

http://www.fordbarn.com/forum/showth...e+coil+bracket

flatjack9 11-20-2016 12:22 PM

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I don't see how you can rebuild any engine for half the price of a flathead build. Machine work is pretty much the same no matter what the engine. Sure parts are cheaper. But labor to build the engine should be similar. Now if you go buy fancy aftermarket parts, all bets are off. We're talking stock rebuild here.

JSeery 11-20-2016 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by flatjack9 (Post 1387693)
I don't see how you can rebuild any engine for half the price of a flathead build. Machine work is pretty much the same no matter what the engine. Sure parts are cheaper. But labor to build the engine should be similar. Now if you go buy fancy aftermarket parts, all bets are off. We're talking stock rebuild here.

I few years ago I was purchasing HP 5.0 crate motors from Ford for well under $2K! I have rebuilt many OHV engines in the $3k or less range. Flatheads are way more expensive, at least for me, to rebuild. I would say a minimum of 3 to 4 times as much for comparable parts and machine work. The current one I am working on has $6k in parts before the machine work!

flatjack9 11-20-2016 12:45 PM

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$6K in parts? For a stock rebuild?

Ardun 11-20-2016 01:09 PM

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Well, this all sounds cheap when compared to building an ARDUN.

Kahuna 11-20-2016 01:23 PM

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I have about 7K in the engine in my 32 Tudor.
Block fully pressure tested, magged & sonic checked
290 CI
Ross Pistons w/ metric ring pack
Merc crank offset ground
NOS 21A rods
All NOS Ford bearings
Fully balanced
Potvin 425 cam
Alum cam gear
Fully ported, no relief
Large intake valves
Isky springs
Center dump headers
Austin dual quad manifold w/ 2 Holley 4000 carbs
NOS Canadian C7RA heads
23# flywheel w/ diaphram clutch
Helmet distributor converted to electronic.
Far from a stock rebuild

flatjack9 11-20-2016 01:34 PM

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Great engine, but as you say, far from stock.

apba12m 11-20-2016 06:20 PM

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new parts on my motor are ,pistons, cam, valves,lifters,heads,intake,carb, full flow oil filter,all bearings...

raybee 11-20-2016 06:59 PM

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Add a minimum of 30% when building a high end V8-60.

Ol' Ron 11-20-2016 07:24 PM

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Kahuna
Where do you race that engine?? Short track or drags. Over kill for street.

Henry Floored 11-20-2016 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Ol' Ron (Post 1387509)
Moving the exhaust ports doesn't add much, if anything, save your money. I think some of you should read the " Practical flathead". When I see prices like this, I sometimes think I should go back ti building them. However, I help a few friends build them and I see the cost have gone up allot. Most of my 276 engines went fro around 3 grand, some less, some more. Depending what he buyer furnished. There was allot of used stuff around back then and tha brought the price down. I did my own boring for 100 bucks and had a shop fit the pistons. I did all the porting and valve work and assy for 500 dollars. That went up to 600 later. The dollar doesn't buy as much as it did back then and there were allot of machine shops. My crank grinder was 80 dollars and balancing for 125 to 150 depend ing on rods. I did allot of street balancing back then to save the costomer some cash. Give the balancer one piston, rod, rings and bearings and just spin the crank. Most engines had good rods back then ah Egge pistons are well balanced. Knurelling the stock guides and putting a few shims under the stock springs and the L-100 cam ( re grind the stock cam $80) PAW valves were $3 IN,$5 EX And I under cut them myself. The list goes on but, but there's always the Greed factor that you can't compinsate for.
May
PS Horsepower ran from 135 to 150.


Ron porting and assembly for $500 seems low. How many hours does it take you to port and to what extent do you do them?

I'm as slow as molasses, I know but I think it takes me 20 to 30 hours after crack checking but BEFORE machine work.

I might be off base but disassembly, inspection, pre-machining prep, basic port work, reassembly is worth double that at least.

Like I said I know I'm slow but stuff like properly setting ring end gaps, lapping valves, cleaning rod journal sludge traps etc. is very time consuming.

I do this as a hobby so I put a few hours in every night but sometimes I feel I'm working for less per hour than the bag boy at the supermarket.

Also for the guys who compare a Chevy conversion to an antique engine restoration are comparing apples to oranges.

On any 70 plus year old piece of machinery you literally have to massage or clean up every nut and bolt.

If a guy were to "restore" a 265 for a '55 Chevy you would easily triple the cost of a crate 350.

Those crate engines are mass produced offshore now. This type of thing is not in the ball park of what we are talking about.

On top of that if a guy dumps a Chevy in there he has just killed his Ford.

NSDWS 11-20-2016 08:48 PM

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As far as I can tell the eng in my 39 has never be apart. It runs ok at the moment and I would like to rebuild it myself in the future but you guys are scaring me with those prices. Its been a good while sine I rebuilt a small block Chevy or Ford but I can remember the clean up and machine work on block and heads was only 200 bucks and when I was a machinist with the rail road I would take my blocks and heads to the shop and hot vat them myself on off days.

Midnightcaper 11-20-2016 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by NSDWS (Post 1387960)
As far as I can tell the eng in my 39 has never be apart. It runs ok at the moment and I would like to rebuild it myself in the future but you guys are scaring me with those prices. Its been a good while sine I rebuilt a small block Chevy or Ford but I can remember the clean up and machine work on block and heads was only 200 bucks and when I was a machinist with the rail road I would take my blocks and heads to the shop and hot vat them myself on off days.

Ah don't be scared to rebuild a stocker isn't that much but when getting into all new upgraded internals port matching, machining and of course blowers it climbs fast. Just remember it's not it's not the 50's or 60's it's 2016. Build what u want no matter how mild or wild even if it is a street engine!

Dodge 11-21-2016 01:08 AM

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Out in Calif. a stock rebuild has been running $4500-$6500 depending on what you find
when you get inside. Don't forget some of these old motors take hours and hours to get
apart depending on how long and where the engine has been sitting.
A 350 Chev is still the cheapest to build. They go out the door for $1500-$2000
A Model A motor is $4500-$5000 for a stocker.
A lot depends on where you live.


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