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Ethanol Free Started using Sunoco Rec 90. Seems to run great, and since this is my daily, I feel much better about not running ethanol. Any changes I should think about since the Rec 90 is a higher octane fuel. Or does this not matter much in these older engines?
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Re: Ethanol Free Doesn't "need" the extra octane, won't hurt anything, expect maybe your wallet.
If you feel it's worth the extra $ to get away from the alcohol, then it's justified ? It's when engines start pushing past 8:1 CR that high-test gasoline is required. Happy motoring ! Frank |
Re: Ethanol Free Thanks. I was a hot rodder for years so I know the harmful effects of ethanol on carbs. And I don't mind a few more cents if it saves me problems down the road.
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Re: Ethanol Free A great article in the latest issue of The Restorer by Howard Eckstein..."How the Model A Engine Breathes"
Here's the first paragraph... "Whenever you think your Model A is not as peppy as it used to be, you check the normal things such as timing, spark plugs and point gap, carburetor settings and the like. If that doesn't help, you blame it on the corn squeezins with which suppliers are diluting your go-juice. That excuse is fine until you're at the back of the tour trying to catch up with the others who are burning the same gas." |
Re: Ethanol Free Since I switched to 100% gasoline last fall, my car runs much smoother... I've yet to take a camera shot of inside the cylinders... Like most Model A issues my hiccups are electrical..
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Re: Ethanol Free why should eth hurt a cast iron carb?
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Re: Ethanol Free The only problem with ethanol in the original model A would be if it was left to go stale after a few months sitting. Maybe I would want to add some top oil also to keep the valves from sticking.
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Re: Ethanol Free Ethanol is a solvent. I breaks up varnish that has built up in the tank and fuel lines. It destroys gaskets and seals. It eats the fuel tank linings. It absorbs water. I will NEVER run ethanol fuel in my Model A.
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Re: Ethanol Free I buy bulk gas from the co-op and while it has some ethanol, it is not as much as the service station variety. My hot rod A's run just fine. However, the damage done to my small motors and a Honda outboard by ethanol has been very expensive. SEMA went to congress and testified against upping the percentage from 10% to 15%.
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Re: Ethanol Free E85 aka 85% gasoline, 15% ethanol is not certified on many modern OEM of cars, my 2012 Jeep for example.
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Per: US Dept of Energy "E85 (or flex fuel) is a term that refers to high-level ethanol-gasoline blends containing 51%-83% ethanol, depending on geography and season." |
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Re: Ethanol Free I run 90 octane non-ethanol gas in my old cars, lawn equipment and Harleys. I bump up the octane for the Harleys by mixing in some 110 octane racing gas. The old Panhead appreciates it. Right now the non-ethanol gas is running $3.35 a gallon in Dade City, FL. Well worth it to me!;)
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Re: Ethanol Free My opinion is that I cannot see any difference in performance using non ethanol vs. ethanol. I cannot any harm to the zenith carb. since I use the original steel float valve and not the rubber tip one so ethanol gas should be fine to use. Also my A does not sit without use for long periods...
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Re: Ethanol Free I like to run non-eth in my cars. But they sit more then I would like. Seemed to really help in that situation, as far as leaving it for a few weeks and then just jumping in and driving. If I was driving daily, i'd be inclined to fill up with 10% from time to time.
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Re: Ethanol Free After seeing what alky gas can do to the new fuel tank and gauge of my '65 mustang, I will never use it again with one of my classics. It rotted the fuel line on the pickup tube in half and corroded the inside of the tank which was installed in 2014. It as not a china tank... I can imagine what it might do to a Model A tank. Where I live non alky gas is available and cost about .50 a gallon more. The new tank and gauge for the Mustang was over 150.00 Your mileage may vary......
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Re: Ethanol Free We get moderns in that sat for a few years and the ethanol ate right through the electric pump metal housings.. It's nasty stuff when allowed to sit
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Re: Ethanol Free I've heard from two guys that bought flex fuel vehicles and thought they could save money by using E85. The fuel mileage and power was way down and both had to have their engines rebuilt at 60,000 to 65,000 miles.
I'd sure like to see an end to that crap gas. |
Re: Ethanol Free "I'd sure like to see an end to that crap gas."
we have an election coming up...... |
Re: Ethanol Free I burned ethanol for a few months about 4 years ago and never had anything but trouble. Stopped buying crap gas and stopped having trouble with fuel tanks, fuel lines, filters and carbs.
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Re: Ethanol Free Being an avid hot rodder for years, I have seen the negative effects of ethanol on the entire fuel system. From tank to carb, it promotes rot and decay. It also lowers the boiling point of fuel. If you can't find ethanol free fuel you can at least buy an additive to negate the harmful effects of the ethanol. Lucas makes a good one. Lucky for me I have a Sunoco one block from home that sells ethanol free.
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Re: Ethanol Free The world is swimming in oil and their is s shortage of food --generally... Gee wonder how to fix that????
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Re: Ethanol Free Wife and me went out to a wedding in Charles City, IOWA about three-years ago. Could never imagine how much CORN there was until then. Those people literally had CORN growing in every nook and cranny of ground. There were micro size CORN patches being grown as residential home front lawns and along side of garages. In IOWA, there is no doubt that CORN is king. Think that Iowa people actually eat all that CORN?
Sometimes wonder that if the earliest Presidential political voting events were held in say, the state of MAINE, then we'd have liquefied POTATO or perhaps LOBSTER in our fuel tanks. How about WISCONSIN for the first voting, then gasoline would no doubt contain CHEESE. Maybe a solution is to have politicians kick off their national election nonsense from TEXAS or OKLAHOMA so that oil petroleum products could be used for making gasoline. Now that would be radical! |
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http://lucasoil.com/products/fuel-tr...th-stabilizers What are the thoughts here, snake oil or something that may really help and will it do anything that MMO does not do. |
Re: Ethanol Free It may work, but if non-ethanol fuel is available why not use it. When you ad the price of the additive you are close to the price of pure gas. I am not a chemist but as I understand it part of the problem is that ethanol absorbs water, which does the damage.
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Re: Ethanol Free Ethanol FREE Gas Station FINDER - United States & Canada http://pure-gas.org/index.jsp?stateprov Found this WEB site link and using it, located a gas station offering Ethanol FREE gasoline about 12-miles from here. Called the phone number listed and the person spoke with said that "YES" they do sell Ethanol FREE gasoline. Will check this out within the next couple of days. |
Re: Ethanol Free Been using , as some say "crap" gas since I got the car. The only problem I've had is twice I've had to dis-assemble the elec fuel shut off valve and clean (sticks). In all the cases where people are having trouble I believe there's something else that's wrong with their cars. JMO
Paul in CT I do add MMO (glug-glug-glug) every time I put $10 of fuel in. |
Re: Ethanol Free "I believe there's something else that's wrong with their cars"
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Re: Ethanol Free Everyone is worried about their cars and corn, go read up about what Monsantos GMO Corn is doing to the human consumption of nearly 85% or more GMO corn. Remember, corn is not only used at the Sunday barbeque. Worry more on what its doing to are human tank.
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Corn on the cob sure tastes good though.:) |
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Re: Ethanol Free I do the same as Mike, and that reminds me that I'd better through the cans in my car before I head out today.
Tuesday mornings are my shopping day and I make the rounds because it's senior discount day at the second hand stores. Once in a great while a Model A tool shows up. |
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Re: Ethanol Free I usually pour it into a 2 gallon container, then into a funnel in the Model A. With my Studebaker the gas door opens up, so it's kind of in the way of many funnels, so I'll set the 5 gallon can higher up and syphon the gas into the car.
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http://www.walmart.com/ip/Hand-E-Hauler/36728098 https://photos.smugmug.com/MsDaisy/i...8_095344-L.jpg Made in the USA by Flo tool, it fit standard Propane and most Gasoline cans like a glove... No worries about either moving around.... ~ $10 per at walmart. Also, if you spill a bit, the carrier will hold it.... Even if I sill had my old F150, I wish I knew of them then... |
Re: Ethanol Free Years ago when the crap gas first came out in this area, it was used in the winter only. I drove a S10 pickup to work which was 48 miles one way. In the winter using this gas my milage went down about 10%. In the spring when they switch back it went back up 10%.
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Re: Ethanol Free To get fuel into the cowl tan on probably any Model A Ford with a visor, a person really needs to transfer the gasoline into a smaller couple of gallon or so size tank. With the sloshing around weight, it is also generally much easier to handle the smaller size gasoline container.
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Re: Ethanol Free Why not drive the car there? 12 miles isn't that far. I put about 60 miles on mine early Saturday morning before it got over 105 outside and it was glorious. :)
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