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35fordtn 07-31-2015 01:26 PM

PayPal --- lesson learned the hard way
 

Guys,
I learned a hard lesson today and really got taken for a substantial amount of money. Sometimes if you sell a item the buyer will specify that they Work 6 days a week and wish you to not have it signature required. I had a transaction where the buyer stated he works 6 days a week and requested it NOT have signature confirmation. The package arrived and the tracking shows it arrived and he filed a claim through PayPal and was able to have the funds reversed.

Long Story Short, regardless of what the tracking shows if it is of any value make it signature required regardless of the buyers wishes!! I say this all to keep any of you from being burned in the way that I was.

V8COOPMAN 07-31-2015 01:34 PM

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Very sorry to hear that! Maybe you could post who the scum-wad is, or at least a close location. Again.........sorry ya got "took"! DD

rust runner 07-31-2015 01:36 PM

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seems like there is always some a hole out there trying to put the screws to someone

35fordtn 07-31-2015 01:39 PM

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This was not a FordBarn transaction, but I rather just posted it as a helpful warning. Sad there are so many crooks these days.

flatheadmurre 07-31-2015 01:40 PM

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Get hold of the transport company asap and find out who delivered the parcel.
They can tell who was the last person holding the package.
If he remembers the delivery and handing it over to someone...file a fraud case !
Having him as witness...
With a lot of questions asked the buyer might find the parcel again....

35fordtn 07-31-2015 01:42 PM

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This was a Postal USPS shipment to Hollywood, Ca and the Post Office there can tell me no more than "yes it shows we delivered it"

flatheadmurre 07-31-2015 01:45 PM

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A little vacation trip then...
Explaining your neighbourhood watch motto.
Shoot-dig-shut up.
Hope karma gets him fast...

BUBBAS IGNITION 07-31-2015 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by 35fordtn (Post 1131034)
Guys,
I learned a hard lesson today and really got taken for a substantial amount of money. Sometimes if you sell a item the buyer will specify that they Work 6 days a week and wish you to not have it signature required. I had a transaction where the buyer stated he works 6 days a week and requested it NOT have signature confirmation. The package arrived and the tracking shows it arrived and he filed a claim through PayPal and was able to have the funds reversed.

Long Story Short, regardless of what the tracking shows if it is of any value make it signature required regardless of the buyers wishes!! I say this all to keep any of you from being burned in the way that I was.

I am confused , the post says ref : Pay Pal ---
I really dont see this as a paypal issue but a issue between a buyer and seller pay pal just handled the dollars and when the buyer requested they refunded his money..
I never get a signature using paypal , they pay me with pay pal and i ship the product when payment has been recieved.

I have had a couple pay me but take their money back for one reason or another , i hate that when it happens as it may not have anything to do with me or the product......but it happens........
I assume you wont get the product back....then file a action with pay pal...

35fordtn 07-31-2015 01:57 PM

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The post says PayPal simply because PayPal has sided with the buyer regardless that the item shows delivered. This was not a issue of whether the buy was unhappy with the package, he claims it was never delivered. He literally through a phone call made it quite clear what he was doing.

It would be the same as if I purchased 25 distributors from you (this transaction would be around that amount), told you to mail with out signature required. I receive them, file a dispute through PayPal they take the money back from you and reissue it to me. Then I would get the items for free! All in all my mistake for not doing signature required at the buyers request.

Rowdy 07-31-2015 02:00 PM

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I have never requested a signature either. Never had a problem with the tracking info being disputed. One person misplaced the package. After I talked to him on the phone and discribed the package he double checked and found his wife had put it in the garage behind the door and did not tell him about it. Rod

Mike B 07-31-2015 02:03 PM

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Another reason to transfer money out of the linked PayPal to Bank account...PP can't take it back, if it's not there.

35fordtn 07-31-2015 02:14 PM

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Well, I have shipped over 24,000 packages in the last 3 years and this was the 2nd most expensive and the first time I have been taken like this. By the way Mike B My PayPal acct was nearly empty at the time this happened it now has a huge negative balance.

gmanrides 07-31-2015 02:14 PM

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That is just sorry, that is all there is to it. I have been lucky and the wife works for the P.O. so she makes sure signature required goes on everything.

Ross F-1 07-31-2015 02:17 PM

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Having been in Hollywood, I wouldn't be surprised if someone stole the package off his doorstep. But it sounds like he admitted the scam on the phone??

rotorwrench 07-31-2015 02:29 PM

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I've had several items lost due directly to the USPS. The postal services used to be the finest in the world but no more. If a customer of yours can't pay or play with the shipping you want to use then you don't need them as a customer. If you use USPS, you HAVE TO ask for signature upon delivery. This protects two ways. One against a dead beat customer and the other against the USPS.

35fordtn 07-31-2015 02:33 PM

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Yes, and as the topic states a lesson learned for sure. The buyer did say through our last phone call "tough deal you cant do anything" and basically admitted to his lie. Such a shame. It's not about the money more so than the principal and learned anything of value needs a signature even if it's a deal breaker.

flatheadmurre 07-31-2015 02:34 PM

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Do you have an email or similar where he askes for no signature delivery ?
If so send it to Paypal.
If he asked for it...his loss...

35fordtn 07-31-2015 02:36 PM

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No this was all spoken over the phone. Seems as though I am on the losing end. This is not to bash PayPal, as PayPal is a great service.

oldskool 07-31-2015 02:38 PM

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shame on paypal items were delivered they had no rite to refund the crooks money,i once sent a postal money and the person said there never received it,went to post office and they said I would have to wait 3 months and then they would put a tracer on it for 3.50 the item were not worth the trouble...there all a bunch of crooks

Chevford 07-31-2015 02:48 PM

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May have been stolen off the porch?
Happens a lot.

V8COOPMAN 07-31-2015 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by 35fordtn (Post 1131078)
...... "tough deal you cant do anything" and..... such a shame.

Since you have an address, have ya maybe considered having some guy named LUIGI stop-by for a friendly visit.....seriously? Or even the sheriff.......he might be interested because of the amount of money involved. DD

35fordtn 07-31-2015 02:59 PM

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I only like to think that guys like this and other scammers that many on here have mentioned in there past will have their day, and what goes around comes around.

nospartsman 07-31-2015 03:00 PM

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Name him

V8COOPMAN 07-31-2015 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by 35fordtn (Post 1131078)
The buyer did say through our last phone call "tough deal you cant do anything" and basically admitted to his lie.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chevford (Post 1131090)
May have been stolen off the porch?
Happens a lot.

Did you even read post #16? DD

flatheadmurre 07-31-2015 03:10 PM

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For the amount of money involved one notch under luigi....a private investigator might be a good idee....
Youre a much nicer guy then me...i would be in my car by now...

Bill's Auto Works 07-31-2015 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by 35fordtn (Post 1131097)
I only like to think that guys like this and other scammers that many on here have mentioned in there past will have their day, and what goes around comes around.

I used to think that this never happened. That these scammer/conmen never got what was coming to them (at least not in this lifetime) but recently a transporter who has screwed over many customers over the last few years had some really bad things happen to him. All of his own making & all I could think was KARMA does exist!

Mike B 07-31-2015 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by 35fordtn (Post 1131067)
Well, I have shipped over 24,000 packages in the last 3 years and this was the 2nd most expensive and the first time I have been taken like this. By the way Mike B My PayPal acct was nearly empty at the time this happened it now has a huge negative balance.


Wow, you're doing big business, not like many of us who could live without PP.

Kube 07-31-2015 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by 35fordtn (Post 1131082)
No this was all spoken over the phone. Seems as though I am on the losing end. This is not to bash PayPal, as PayPal is a great service.

Mike, I know you and I am all too familiar with Paypal. YOU are perhaps one of the most honest persons I have had the pleasure to deal with. Paypal? It is set up in favor of the buyer each and every time.
I am sorry you of all people got ripped off.
These are the types of folks that ruin things for those of us who choose to trust and treat folks accordingly.

By the way, simply because there is a tracking number and it shows the package was delivered no way is proof it was delivered correctly. Unfortunately, the package can be dropped off three streets over,, the carrier swipes the bar code as "delivered" and it's a done deal.
In your case, it is quite apparent you dealt6 with a dirt ball. However, folks need to realize "tracking" is NO guarantee the package got to the addressed person.

34pickup 07-31-2015 03:52 PM

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I would think since its interstate commerce fraud that perhaps you should contact the Office of the Postal Inspector.

35fordtn 07-31-2015 03:54 PM

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Mike,
I do agree and this was a huge lesson learned for me. This easily could have been a delivery mistake and I wouldn't be so upset. But, in this case when dealing with a scumbag had I simply required signature he could have not gotten away with it. I usually would require a signature but was requested not to. Shane on me and shame on him.

TagMan 07-31-2015 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike B (Post 1131065)
Another reason to transfer money out of the linked PayPal to Bank account...PP can't take it back, if it's not there.



Not true, I'm afraid. PayPal requires a credit card number for back-up in case bank account or cash reserves are not sufficient.

deuce5wndw 07-31-2015 04:13 PM

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eBay screen name please, I would sure like to add him to my blocked bidder list!

Ronnie 07-31-2015 04:28 PM

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Doesn't us banking have Interact e-Transfer

R

BABAR40 07-31-2015 04:37 PM

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So very sorry to hear your story. Being manipulated in any deal is just wrong. As long as you have his address you might as well have that 2 tons of rotted manure delivered to his driveway.

green50 07-31-2015 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by deuce5wndw (Post 1131142)
eBay screen name please, I would sure like to add him to my blocked bidder list!

Me too. What an A-HOLE.

NealinCA 07-31-2015 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by BABAR40 (Post 1131155)
So very sorry to hear your story. Being manipulated in any deal is just wrong. As long as you have his address you might as well have that 2 tons of rotted manure delivered to his driveway.

With no signature required...haha

I am curious if this deal involved early Ford parts? I hope I don't end up dealing with this character...or think he is "one of us".

Neal

Mike B 07-31-2015 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by TagMan (Post 1131133)

Not true, I'm afraid. PayPal requires a credit card number for back-up in case bank account or cash reserves are not sufficient.


No, only to be verified...I used my daughters PP account when buying/selling.

Her account is linked to a checking account, once funds are in her account, we transfer to another account.
We never used her ATM card number for anything, just the checking account we set it up for.

This was maybe 8 or 9 months ago, things may have changed now?

35fordtn 07-31-2015 05:21 PM

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No, although 99% of my shipments are, this was not Early Ford parts.

39topless 07-31-2015 05:23 PM

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So sorry you got taken. Paypal, (and Ebay etc.) buyers make these companies work so great protection for buyer, but very little protection for seller. A seller must ship with signature required or it's a risk.
PS, do not post this bastard's name. You don't need a defamation suit on top of everything else.

2935ford 07-31-2015 05:29 PM

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with signature required can't anyone sign for it? and worse......sign any name?.....or is it required that the person named on the delivery ticket be the only one to sign?


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