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1943 Ford truck I have a Ford truck with a serial number 99TF-544714 that I am trying to identify the year on. It falls between the end of the 42 production and the beginning 46 production. It has the Marmon-Harrington conversion along with the Sno Go unit. Left hand steering and right hand gauges. Anyone have those war year serial numbers? Dick
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Re: 1943 Ford truck Do you have a photo? It would help with the ID!
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Re: 1943 Ford truck Where are you based, Dick? Are you saying the dash is for a RHD? Are you in a RHD country?
Here in the UK we don't get lots of snow blowers but we do have road sweepers. These are normally built LHD so the driver can judge getting close to the kerb better. I just wondered if the lhd steering rhd gauges is an indication that snowblowers may be built along similar lines. Mart. |
Re: 1943 Ford truck I'll see if Stu can drop in and help. Stu is very knowledgeable about the late 40s -early 50s Marmon-Herrington trucks and may be able to help you with information.
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Re: 1943 Ford truck Photos Please!!!!
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Re: 1943 Ford truck Thanks for the vote of confidence, Fred, but I'm not sure I have many answers. I don't find the Model 99TF for starters. A Model 99T is a 1939 big truck with 134" wheel base, and 95 h.p. engine. I don't have a reference that further defines the TF. As said above, pictures would help either verify the 1939 body style or disqualify that if the truck has the 1940 and later big truck sheet metal.
The other data that would help would be the info from the Marmon-Herrington large data plate. I have a M-H big truck parts listing from 1939 that shows it applies to M-H Models F5, F6, FF5, and FF6. These numbers bear no relationship to the similar post war Ford model numbers. The differences between the four M-H models are based on H.P., 85 vs 95, and wheelbase. The M-H model number would help you either confirm a 1939 origin if your model matches what I cited, or would help one of the two real experts that I'll mention to sort things out. The two people are Don Chew of Briton, CO, and Chuck Mantiglia of Chuck's Trucks in Hamden, CT. Don will be difficult to contact because, last I knew, he doesn't use a computer. He is, however, a board member of the American Truck Historical Society and can be tracked down through them. It's also a good organization to join. Chuck is a person you'll want to get to know because, beside his wealth of knowledge, he can help with service and parts needs for your unique truck. Below is his web site. Stu http://www.chuckstrucksllc.com/startframe.htm |
Re: 1943 Ford truck MERCURY & FORD
239 CID V-8 ............1939................99A-1................................................. 99A-101700 ............1940................99A-101701.......................................99A-257100 ............1941................99A-257101.......................................99A-446700 ............1942................99A-446701.......................................99A-539426 WWII PRODUCTION ............1946................99A-650280.......................................99A-1412707 ............1947................99A-1412708...................................799A-2002282 ............1948................799A-2002283.................................899A-2374315 NOTE: It has come to our attention that there may have been serial numbers beginning with 699 for 1946 vehicles, instead of 99 as listed above. ALSO, For 1942-1947 Pickups, a letter after the first numbers indicate the size truck: C = 1/2 ton, Y = 1 ton, T = 1 1/2 ton 60 HP PRODUCTION 1937 started with 54-6602 1938 started with 54-358,335 1939 continued from 1938 to 54-506,500 1940 54-506,500 to the end. There are other number sequences for 4 CYL 32-34, 4 CYL 41-42, 6 CYL 41-48. Some early 1933 model V-8'S used a "40" prefix. Contributed by Dan Krehbiel, CA FROM OTHER INTERNET SOURCES!! The following comes from a publication called Fast Moving Parts for all Ford Products 1928-1946 Catalogue. I picked it up out of Ebay and on the inside cover was the name of the owner, G.H.Jopson, Melford Motors, 621 Elizabeth St, Melbourne. The decoder is as follows using a random sample number of C016TF-2265A C - represents Canadian design 0 - represents the model year for which the part was designed' 8=1938, 9=1939, 0=1940, 1=1941, 2=1942, 3=1943, 4=1944, 5=1945, etc 1 - represents the engine type 1=85H.P. V-8, 2=60H.P. V-8, 9=95H.P. V-8 6 - represents the vehicle wheelbase 1=101" W.B., 8=158" W.B., 6=176" W.B., 4=194" W.B. Wheelbase is not specified for 134". T specifies the type of vehicle, A-Passenger, B-Bus, C-Commercial, D-3/4 Ton, T-Regular Truck, U-Dump, V-Drop Frame, W-Cab-Over-Engine, Y-1 Ton. F - designates right-hand drive. The 2265 designates basic part number and also group number, namely, Brakes. In this case the A relates to Passenger 1928-31. Thereis more decoding information but relates only to Group Numbers and Years and Models. Therefore Keefy I believe the F stands for Right-hand drive. All Canadian-built Ford engines in C.M.P. trucks are prefixed with *G and suffixed with “2F”. The prefix number denotes the engine model year, e.g. 1G is 1940, 2G is 1941, etc.: the “G” denotes a Mercury 32.50 h.p. truck engine fitted with a four-speed gearbox. The suffix “2F” means an export engine for Right hand drive vehicles. Starting number was # 1G-175 on 1 November 1939, and the last 1940 Model unit was # 1G-11500 on 1 October 1940; 1941 Models started at # 2G-205 on 1 October 1940 and ended at # 2G-48148 on 1 November 1941. The last known, so far, engine number is from a late 1945 F.60L, # 5G-11449F. American engines usually have an engine number like this one: 99TF562348. Ford V-8 engine numbers are not stamped on the engine itself but are stamped on the clutch housing |
Re: 1943 Ford truck Damn you guys know your shit.. Love it..
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Re: 1943 Ford truck The transmission serial number is very easy to read and is: 99TF-544714. The frame number on the truck is the same. The Marmon Harrington number shows a chassis number: MM6-4-544714. The motor number on the Marmon Harrington also shows the 544714 number. The Sno Go tag also shows a motor number of 544714. I did find a truck just like this one with a serial number of 472367 at the Yankee Air Museum in Belville, Michigan. That particular truck is a 1942 but it does have a 1942 serial number. My information shows this 544714 serial number being after the last 1942 was built but prior to the first 1946 number. Also someone had asked if it's a right hand drive or not. It is a left hand drive but does have the glove box on the left side where the gauges would typically go.
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Re: 1943 Ford truck OK ,Now we RRRREALLY need some photos ! ! ! :cool:
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Re: 1943 Ford truck CHECK THIS ARTICLE OUT!!
Marmon-Herrington Ford C5A – July/August 2014 Cover Story http://vintagetruckmagazine.com/1937...gton-ford-c5a/ The 1937 Marmon-Herrington Ford C5A that appears on the cover of the July/August 2014 issue of Vintage Truck magazine is a replica of a prototype truck Marmon-Herrington built for the U.S. Army. It was assembled by Don Chew, a veteran truck enthusiast and renowned historian of four-wheel-drive trucks. |
Re: 1943 Ford truck I was having difficulty posting pictures onto the Ford Barn. Sometimes I have a brain freeze when it comes to computers so I, in turn, put 4 photo's of this truck on my website at: http://www.hotrodgarage.net
If you go to my site and click on "Trucks For Sale" and scroll down to 1943, you can look at those 4 pictures. At least you will have a little insight into what I am talking about. Thanks. |
Re: 1943 Ford truck Very interesting truck. From the info Capn John posted the F designates
right hand drive, must be why the instruments are on the right? Bob |
Re: 1943 Ford truck There is a 1942 and 1944 at this site. NO DROOLING!!
Mark's Marmon Herrington Garage http://www.hubgarage.com/mygarage/th...isman/vehicles http://marmon-herrington.iblogger.org/truck.html |
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Re: 1943 Ford truck I never take them completely apart. I did that once to a motorcyle and once it didn't look like a motorcycle I lost interest and sold it in a basket.
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Re: 1943 Ford truck Yeah, I hear you. I've got the chassis of the white truck done, with parts help from the red 52 on Marks site. But body work isn't fun. The green 51 flat bed is a bare chassis that will get parts help from the reddish 50 wrecker. Kevin "Bigwin" over on FTE likes to say "some must die so others can live". With M-Hs it's absolutely true. You can't dial 1(800) and find every fool piece being repop'd. Stu
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It's a lot easier with the photos on this site! Hope you don't mind me moving them over for you, and are these the correct photo?
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Re: 1943 Ford truck Giving confirmation to your original understanding, my 1953 Motors Manual lists a M-H Model MM6-4 as a 1941/42 model having the 85 hp engine. Its 1939 listing for my above mentioned F5-4, F6-4, FF5, and FF6 agrees with my other M-H reference. Stu
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Re: 1943 Ford truck Thanks for moving the pictures from www.hotrodgarage.net I need to figure out that process. Lots of great feedback but not sure on the year yetwww.hotrodgarage.net
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Re: 1943 Ford truck Just a quick update---I sent the truck serial number and war Dept. Regulation number to Sno Go and they sent me back the build sheet on the Sno Go unit. Neat! The unit was shipped by Marmon-Harrington Ford to the U. S. War Department on June 9, 1943. Also indicates that it was mounted on the Ford with this serial number on April 23, 1943. It does not identify the truck as a 1943 but I am leaning towards that year to be its birth. One thing for sure is the Ford serial number of 544714 is no later that 1943. Dick
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Re: 1943 Ford truck Not sure if you still check on this thread, I have the same truck as you. Left hand drive, right hand gauges. Serial number 537302. Snow go received my truck on 2-25-43.
Have you ever been able to find out why they were left hand drive and right hand gauges? I have a few pics of mine in my profile. At this point the cab and doors are in rough shape. I bought a 46 with a great body that I'm using for a donor. I plan on restoring to factory as much as I can. Keeping the dump box. I'll prolly keep the gauges on the left hand side. Did you ever post pics of your truck? |
Re: 1943 Ford truck We are told that Ford more often than not always used up the pieces they had in inventory. Perhaps they only had these RH instrument panels on hand when doing the truck build. Plus, this was during the war, so wasting material was frowned upon. Maybe that figures in. Or maybe it was equipment initially sold for export and then retained for US use (and perhaps purpose built LH drive or modified to LH drive). Would love to hear the real story too. Reminds of the LH drive/RH instruments seen on a 1937 Ford Phaeton in the WWII movie "Swing Shift Maisy."
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Re: 1943 Ford truck That truck may have started out with a right hand drive designation from either US or Canada. Marmon Herrington was putting together some pretty custom stuff for the war effort on both sides of the US/Canada border. It may have been getting difficult to get late model parts so they just used what ever was available at the time.
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Re: 1943 Ford truck Sometimes vehicles like road sweepers are set up so the drivers sit near the kerb. maybe this vehicle was set up with rhd for such a purpose, then later repurposed and converted to left hand drive.
Who knows, it was built during very tumultuous times. Anything could have happened. Mart. Edit: Just realised I'd already replied in a similar vein the first time round. |
Re: 1943 Ford truck http://www.fordbarn.com/forum/attach...p;d=1482965721
I spotted this 1942? Marmon Herrington Ford Snow Plough spotted in Tasmania a few years back. It was still Left Hand Drive. I don't know why it was in Tasmania, as while they do get snow, it is not very much, and you wouldn't need a vehicle like this there? |
Re: 1943 Ford truck When I first started in aviation at an FBO up in Kansas, I quickly found out I had to be a fireman too. One of our fire trucks was a WWII vintage International Harvester. I found out later that the same truck was there when the airport was a training base during that era. My Mother was the base commander's secretary in 1944 and several folks from my home town worked there during the war. They had to make due with a road grader to remove the winter snow. Some places I've lived have little or no snow in the winter but they still have the equipment to remove it. The equipment always looks like new since they never use it.
Marmon Herrington had plants in Indianapolis, Indiana and Windsor, Ontario. |
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