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Canadian Antique cars go to new market! So sad to see them leave North America and to bad they are headed to China.
http://driving.ca/buick/auto-news/ne...-beijing-bound |
Re: Canadian Antique cars go to new market! Why is it so bad they are going to China?
Is not a Chinese car enthusiast allowed to enjoy the hobby like the rest of us? Would it make any difference is they went to Sweden, England, or Australia? Its not like they are going to crush, shred, or melt them them down. Capable buyers from all around the world keep the interest in the cars high and the values for all classic cars high as well. |
Re: Canadian Antique cars go to new market! They will be scrapped
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Re: Canadian Antique cars go to new market! Maybe they will make cheap copies of them and sell them back to us.
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Re: Canadian Antique cars go to new market! I don't understand the dismay of where the cars are going.
He said it all, Nobody from here has stepped up to buy them End of story |
Re: Canadian Antique cars go to new market! Having visited China a number of times, I never saw any evidence of a collector car community. Could be that Shanghai and Guanghou aren't the places - but wherever they end up, the new owners would likely be Communist Party members. That's the part that gives pause.
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Re: Canadian Antique cars go to new market! I understand that the consciencelessness of Capitalism makes this all ok. But somehow I believe that the Chinese businessmen and Party leaders that can afford to buy them, will use them as accessories in the same way Paris Hilton uses toy dogs, as a status symbol. There's no car culture, no historical or social connection with classic cars. One only has to consider what was going on in China at the time these cars were made to realize that the attraction of these vehicles is not shared experience or the affection of enthusiasts you find here on this forum, regardless their locale. There's nothing to be done about it and my dance card is too full to lament it, but its still a disappointment
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Re: Canadian Antique cars go to new market! IMO it's better than having a SBC slapped in them, with air bag suspension, 5000W stereo, and riding on 20" wheels, which is what happens every day in the US and CA.
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Re: Canadian Antique cars go to new market! Your average Chinese worker doesn't have the mind set that most Americans have, or should I say used to have when it comes to automobiles. I think even here most of the latest generation are into throw away cars.
Just think , if they do copy them, everyone can buy a 32 Ford for $3995!! |
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Re: Canadian Antique cars go to new market! Least it be forgotten that these are not one-of-kind masterpieces here. With the exception of the Brush and the Edsel convertible, these cars were produced in the thousands and in some cases the survivors number in the thousands.
This is not in the same league as Canada losing the collective works of the Group of Seven, not even close. Then there's the past to consider. How about all of those Australian Fords being imported into North America back in the '70s and the thousands imported from South America? In the latter case it got to the point that the government of Brazil banned the export of vehicles produced before 1950 even though the country did not have an indigenous automotive industry. (I'd also bet that a few feathers have been ruffled in England and elsewhere in Europe along the same lines over the years.) And in each of those instances there were and are numerous hobbyists locally complete with their own clubs lamenting the "loss" of all that raw material. Admittedly there's been some ebb to offset the earlier flow in the cases of Australia and Europe, but that is as it should be. Who's to say that the Chinese should be excluded from the next wave? These days more cars are being built and sold in China than in the U.S. so they don't exactly despise cars. |
Re: Canadian Antique cars go to new market! I live a few miles from that collection and have visited it a few times. It was quite something and it did evolve over time. They were just parked basically bumper to bumper and I always thought that it was a shame they didn't get exercised very often. I guess part of me wishes they would all stay since large collections here in Canada a few and far between. However, appreciation of the designs knows no boundaries. And Hong Kong did have a history of Buicks as the British Royal family had a few and therefore the higher-ups would want to emulate that status. The Buicks being built in a loyal Commonwealth country; Canada. Deep down I wish they were only going to the states as it might be a little easier to visit them again especially for detail confirmation during restorations. Will any of them come back "home"? Probably not. I guess that makes those here and in the States more valuable now if you're into the "value" thing. I sure wish some of the moneyed people here would have stepped up to create a museum for them but vintage vehichles don't compare to the latest, cool, PC, eco, tastes of those with big pockets. Any the local film industry would have appreciated the resource for sure. I think the fella could have kept a few for local sale though. These large collections are a negative as well as in the instance of the LeMay collection. He did save alot but I think of the person who finally got to a point in their life where a restoration project would be feasable but the "search and buy every and anything" mentality of those creating these large collections block their entry into the hobby unless they want to restore a '81 cheVETTE for example. I'm fortunate that I have my tiny collection each waiting it's turn.
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Re: Canadian Antique cars go to new market! I concur with David G. There seems to be a negative and almost anti-Chinese opinion embraced within some of the comments on this thread. China is a rapidly evolving country.It has risen from paddyfield to skyscraper in as little as two decades;much of which fuelled by a demand from the west and in particular the USA.
There is a strong inference that the Chinese are lacking in culture or good taste. Far from it ! The Great Wall of China was built before America was on the map. The Chinese are clever craftsmen. Their works of art, produced many centuries ago, are highly sort after the world over and in particular the USA. Visit any museum here in London and you will find numerous Chinese visitors intrigued by the artefacts that we have created in here in Europe. They are clever, creative and intelligent people. Whilst there's no argument that they may be responsible for producing some second-rate reproduction Ford parts; don't tar them all with the same brush. |
Re: Canadian Antique cars go to new market! Say what you want, but America and it's Brother to the north are the unwaivering envy of the entire world. ANYTHING that is American is coveted by the Chinese, Japanese and the Russians and everybody else! From Blue Jeans to Vintage Cars! We can delve into the why's on some other forum, But If you want to whine and complain about our hobbies leaving North America, then stop being so great!!! I'm not particularly ready to to throw in that towel. So let's all keep pursuing excellence in our hobbies, businesses and lives and let God be the one to sort out who's worthy!
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Re: Canadian Antique cars go to new market! Fourfords'
I assumed that's addressed to me ? I am not possessed of greatness, nor indeed am I whining nor complaining about the USA or indeed the Chinese, the Russians, Japanese or indeed any other race. Merely pointing out a fact. Whether America or its' "brother to the north" are the envy of the ENTIRE world is highly debatable; in fact absolute poppycock ! True; in the past you have churned out some good cars but now that's all over and as for your foreign policies perhaps the subject of weapons of mass destruction and Vietnam should be swept under the table. Doubtless though, "god" is not responsible for that? Yes I know we're going off topic but I'll write on behalf of the Chinese whom for the time being have been unable to make a contribution. |
Re: Canadian Antique cars go to new market! Great thoughts from all....that's real world, if you've got the $$$$$ you get the
goods. My only problem is the 'consciencelessness of Capitalism' remark, capitalism is THEE reason we are the envy of the world. Charlie ny |
Re: Canadian Antique cars go to new market! Maybe they will see how products should be built for quality an longevity.:rolleyes:
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Re: Canadian Antique cars go to new market! Not a big fan on this one. You know what they say "money talks BS walks". I asked myself if I was in that position what would I do? I honestly don't have an answer. He obviously doesn't need the cash.
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Re: Canadian Antique cars go to new market! [QUOTE=tiger.1000;1069938]Fourfords'
I assumed that's addressed to me ? I am not possessed of greatness, nor indeed am I whining nor complaining about the USA or indeed the Chinese, the Russians, Japanese or indeed any other race. Merely pointing out a fact. Whether America or its' "brother to the north" are the envy of the ENTIRE world is highly debatable; in fact absolute poppycock ! True; in the past you have churned out some good cars but now that's all over and as for your foreign policies perhaps the subject of weapons of mass destruction and Vietnam should be swept under the table. Doubtless though, "god" is not responsible for that? You assume wrong. But given what you just wrote, why don't you share with us where on earth you would rather be? Not a rhetorical questiion. Please telll us where would you rather be? Doesn't seem like you are too thrilled about having your vintage car here. I noticed the lower case god. Sorry pal, It's my freedom too. I won't be hanging with you anytime soon. So go back to enjoying your wonderful life and freedom and your hobbies and think about showing some respect. Just a brief story, I was at a car show about three years ago at Chic-Fil-A in Corona, CA. and there two fellas with heavy accents(They were from Croatia) asking me questions about the car and sharing that they wished they could have one too. They told me that in their country, if they showed up with a nice antique car they would be under suspicion from the government and would be investigated. The government assumes when you show any type of prosperity in their system, it is likely gotten illegally. He mentioned as they were moving on to the next car that we "Americans do not know what we have here." I humbly told him "Some of us do." Nobody I know is sweeping anything under any table. The world is a competitive, sometimes harsh place. To tell you I am thankful to be able to drive my vintage V8 car ANYTIME I WANT on safe streets with decent people around is the closest place to Heaven I can think of! |
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Seems that you have a very bigoted and narrow-minded approach to anything outside the USA ? As far as the two Croatian "fellas" were concerned, either they were blind or more likely taking you for a gullible mug that wanted to hear a good story ! Rest assured, there is a very active classic car scene in Croatia. Go to Zagreb and there are meetings on a summer's evening at Veselo Nepce, near Kranjceviceva. ... 7 to 9pm....Believe me it's a good gathering and you'll meet some interesting people who are in my experience very tolerant of all creeds, colours and religions. Doubtless you're aware that Croatia is now in the EU and they're doing their best to integrate in to Western Europe. They have McDonalds there so you should feel at home ! The Germans left there in 1945 and the Balkans war ended in November 1995. Doubtless you're aware of the terms of the Dayton Peace Accord ? No; it's not a race track..... Take the road from Karlovac and down to the coast. It's a good drive with beautiful scenery and friendly people. Likely you'll find a classic car rally in progress from Rijeka to Split and on to Dubrovnik. The Croatia Old Timer Association is alive and well; welcomes new members and believe me, neither the police nor the government treats the owners of vintage cars as criminals or mafia ! Regarding "god"..."God"...or indeed any spelling of such; who are you to question mine or indeed anyone else's religious followings or indeed lack of? You Fourford need to loosen up and take a reality check ! Come to the UK; we'll make you welcome, talk vintage cars, debate religion and happily rub shoulders with you. In the meantime here's some pictures for you to absorb; all of which are taken in Croatia |
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And if you need any more convincing; here's a couple of "high value" motorcars, both bearing Croatian number plates.
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Re: Canadian Antique cars go to new market! Ladies,
play nice, no need to get into yet another pissing contest on the Internet... Stuff like this gets threads deleted, members banned, and has even made entire forums fade from existence |
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China's economy is improving. They bought some collector cars. DEAL WITH IT. |
Re: Canadian Antique cars go to new market! Tiger1000, You are making a childish misunderstanding between Patriotism and bigotry. when you watched hockey and saw America play the former Soviet Union, and rooted for the home team, was I a bigot??? Are you??? Of course not. The people of the world are basicaly the same. We all want generarlly the same things. However, Our Constitution is the difference and our stedfast endorsement of it. Bigotry? Absolutely not. Pride in what we as a Country stand for?? Absolutely!!! And for ANYBODY wants it!! Any race, creed, religion, ANYBODY! but, YOU MAY NOT. You want to bad mouth Patriotism? Fine. You want to bad mouth my Country? Fine. I'm a big boy. I just don't understand with all these hard earned freedoms we're swimming in, you don't seem to appreciate them. Why you are here? Arguing with each other? A smart guy like you probably has better things to do. and you are free to do it.
Just dirve you bitchen antique car and give a nod of respect to who those who had more forsight and vision for this place than most of us and enjoy the ride!! and if someone from another Country likes our cars we got and he can afford it and doesn't want to bomb us to get it, fine. More power to him. Thanks for the dialogue, it keeps me alert but you are wearing me out! |
Re: Canadian Antique cars go to new market! Hey fellas? Wanna get banned? Argue about Fords like little girls.
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