Flow problems with eddie meyer head
 

I have repop eddie myer heads on a 1936 LB engine and it over heats. radiator re-cored, new water pumps. new hoses, timing correct.

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what engine? what head gaskets? did it overheat before the heads were installed?

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221 CI. don't know, good compression , no bubbles in radiator, no water in oil, run good, just hot.

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What is "hot" ?? And as measured by what means?

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My windshield HA HA. stock 32 temp gauge, sending unit attached to top right radiator hose

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Obviously don't have the ability to measure actual temperature.

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it boils the coolant and pegs the gauge. using 50/50 mix antifreeze, I'm in the process of changing out the rear gear from 411 to 378 with columbia, with the 411 its top speed was 55 mph.

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Is this in a '36 or what? I have an 8BA in a '36 pickup with the '49 type oil hub 6 bladed fan, no shroud, 180 thermostats and it runs at about 175. A 59A in my '36 roadster that has a 6 bladed fan mounted in the stock position but off an alternator with a home made fan shroud and 180 thermostats has a hard time warming up to 155 in the garage, I have not got this one on the road yet. So I am just saying that '36's do not usually have the history for getting hot like say '40's do. The placement of the fan on the upper part of the radiator is the key, I think.

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I don't have any thermostats, maybe I should, the coolant maybe circ. to fast. found some on Ebay pricey.

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car is a 32 , motor is 1936 221 with Eddie Myer heads ,PM-7 , stromberg 97's , headers , smitty's , fan is run off generator, there are no springs in lower rad hoses

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how clean were the water jackets??

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Wait until you get it cool before wasting time with stats, they only make an engine heat up and have nothing to do with cooling. I would have your pumps rebuilt by Skip in Florida and install one of his 3 lb pressure valves, put a good rubber seal in your cap and fill the radiator up to the filler neck. Your stock pumps each deliver 55 gallons of water in 5 minutes. His body modification and larger impeller pumps deliver 92 gallons each in 5 minutes. G.M.

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i know it was boiled out, I dont know if it was checked for trapped casting sand. The engine has less than 1000 miles on it. maybe it isn't broke in yet

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Heard about him couple days ago Will do ,whats your take on thermostats

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This is a possibility. I had an O/T Corvette with a 327 I spent a lot of money getting rebuilt. When I got it back, the temperature would go way over 200 if I let it sit and idle for any period of time (it was not so bad running down the road). I did everything I could think of to fix the problem (re-setting the timing, re-adjusting the carb, changing the coolant and thermostats, etc.). After about 800 miles. everything came back to normal; at 1500 miles, I had to change out the 160 thermostats for 180's because it was running too cold. The only thing I can think of is that the engine was built over tight. It also turned out to have a high volume/hi pressure oil pump which caused other problems later that would have put additional load on the engine.

I would suggest making sure that there is nothing else wrong and giving it at least 1000 miles if there are no apparent other problems. You may get lucky like I did.

I will never let anyone whose main claim to fame is teat they build race engines touch any of my engines again.

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Retarded ignition timing, is a guess. Vacuum leak also, both will get it too hot.
I'm interested in your 55 mph max speed with 4.11 gears, that setup should easily do 70+ mph as a stock 21 stud can. It'll be buzzing a bit certainly, bit it should do it.
Retarded timing will eat power and get hot, as will a vacuum leak.
Martin.

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I think it s running a M-15 melling Hi volume pump. has 60 PSI when cold and 20 when hot

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I also would look else where as if it will only go 55 with the 4.11 gears something is wrong.look at the ford performance figures in the books and they say top speed is around 80 mph.
lawrie

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Put me down for retarded timing as well.................what ignition are you using.?????:eek:

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Mallory dual point

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Is your exhaust pipe/muffler(s) plugged up (vermin)??

Paul in CT

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I should clarify my statement about the oil pump being a potentail problem. While most people will tell you a hi-volume pump is not necessary for a stock or near stock flathead build, I don't think it will cause any problems like a SBC hi-capacity pump can.

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Send your Mallory out to Bubba and have him set it up for you. You will be glad you did. They come from the factory with way to much total advance.When you get it back set your timing at total advance at the rpm he says. Its sounds like your timing is retared now.

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I static timed it with a test light hooked up to points. I learned this from old Harley mechanic

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I think "quickchange34" is referring to the advance curve build into the distributor while you are talking static advance, two different things. Most new flathead distributor these days come with a SBC advance curve (34 degrees when a flathead only wants 22) which will give way too much total advance at speed. The only solution to get it to run right at cruise is to retard the initial static timing which causes the overheating. It is the advance curve (weights and springs) that need changing.

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I've also found that the Mallory's I've recurved, the sbc curve in them is also very slow. To far and to slow, not what the flatmotor likes at all.
Martin.

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Thanks for the info,i found an old but complete harmon collins 1400 in the dark recess of my pops parts rack. it should have the right curve , and it looks cool:cool:

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Why would mallory do such a thing, it wont fit a stove bolt. different springs and fly weight's? what the color code for the springs and the weight of fly weights in gram's.

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Because people buy them, is a simple answer. Don't know for certain though.
But they do.
There 8BA type is just a sbc turned to fit the flathead. Still has the sbc curve. I have also curved a couple of the front mount (pre 49 type) type Mallorys, they also had a slow to far curve sbc style. Personal I don't know why a company isn't interested in doing the job right. The front mount type was a new body and some parts ignition, not just an adaption of an existing ignition, like the 8BA one. Why didn't they finish the job and put a flathead curve in it? Goodness knows.
Martin.

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what do you think about the harmon collins? worth it? only problem I can tkink of is availibility of replacment parts

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The Harman Collins is a good distributor. You will have to use a second coil. The Bendix points, the rotor and the cap are available it is just the intermediate cap that is not reproduced. Bubba can set up the H&C for you also.

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Is it possible to use a harley davidson coil on the HC dist., it has two coil outputs.

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As Terry said, the rotors are now being reproduced. The crab caps that Bob Drake is now selling will also work on the H&C, although the firing order numbers printed on front of the cap will be incorrect for H&C, but they could be remarked. The guy who is reproducing the rotor is also planning to reproduce the inner plastic part. Bendix points for these distributors can be purchased at aircraft service facilities.

Here are some previous posts on H&C distributors:

http://www.fordbarn.com/forum/showth...collins+rotors

http://www.fordbarn.com/forum/showth...harman+collins

http://www.fordbarn.com/forum/showth...harman+collins

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thanks for the link, bookmarked for future ref.

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I'm running a 36LB with the same heads and Eddie Meyer two carb high rise intake with 2 97's and Potvin Super 3/4 cam. Had Bubba rebuild the dizzy and initially ran the motor as he had the dizzy timed--it ran hot. I finally figured out you need more advance with a "bigger" cam, so I set the initial timing as far as it would go--it made world of difference--more power and it runs cool even when idling in hot weather. Just my experience with a very similar setup. Good Luck. Rod

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no ping from detonation? are you running supreme grade gas? could small diameter plug wire contribute to problems?

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Going to that lower gear ration will also step up heating issues. The more the engine lugs, the hotter it gets. IMHO the 4.11 is a 50 mph gear. I have a 3:78 in my 32 with a stock 221 34/5 engine and it will run 65-70 but a lot better at 55 or so. On long interstate gradual hills you can see the temp gauge rising.

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I am in the process off changing out the rear gear to a 378 with a columbia 2 speed.

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Why would you run supreme grade of gas in a flathead, is your compression ration that high? Higher grades of gas are only needed with high CR.

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I don't, swedishsteel said that he ran full advance on initial timing, figured it might ping a bit.