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39topless 08-11-2014 01:41 PM

adjusting 3 / 2's
 

Can't seem to find any tech support for adjusting (tuning) a 3 x 2 setup with three 97's. Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks, Phil

36tbird 08-11-2014 02:09 PM

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what kind of linkage, progressive or straight?

39topless 08-11-2014 05:46 PM

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Believe it would be classified as progressive. Pedal to middle carb, then linked to front and back carbs with one linkage. Should mention that it is running very rich.
Thank you

Binx 08-11-2014 06:43 PM

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You may find something here..

http://www.btc-bci.com/~billben/flathead.htm

Lonnie

Terry,OH 08-11-2014 07:39 PM

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Progressive and the car runs on the center Carb. until you depress the pedal enough to start to open the front and rear (dumper) Carbs. The dumpers do not use their idle circuits. Straight linkage and all three Carbs work at the same time (from idle to full throttle) I would recommend the progressive IMHO. Check out the Stromberg web site (tech center) and if you can not find an answer to your questions contact Uncle Max.

BUBBAS IGNITION 08-11-2014 08:35 PM

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Theres a group on the hamb board of carb questions set ups etc , most are 94 carbs but set up theory is the same . I have used this groups postings many times , some of them have it figured out...

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...-94-group.232/

36tbird 08-12-2014 08:18 AM

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Phil, you are right to address this issue. I had a friend who ran 3x2 with straight linkage. It ran very rich to the point that it carboned up the valve seats excessively. Finally one valve top broke off due to the carbon build up and the now loose valve top destroyed the valve seat area as it careened around in there. Block was a total loss.

flathead4rd 08-12-2014 08:31 AM

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Depends on on what engine modifications you have . More info needed. I run three 97's with straight linkage and have no problems.

V8 Bob 08-12-2014 08:50 AM

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I, along with many others, have been running straight linkage with 3 97s for many years and thousands of miles, with no problems or ill effects. The carbs have to be built and jetted properly, usually with #43 mains and # 69 power valves, along with careful synchronization. The result is very crisp throttle response and decent (20 mpg) highway millage. Intake manifold design and manufacture can vary in performance, but the Navarro I'm using works great with straight linkage. The only negative may be slightly worse city stop/go millage v.s. running progressive linkage.

uncle max 08-12-2014 10:55 AM

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... A page from my book!
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Originally Posted by V8 Bob (Post 926214)
I, along with many others, have been running straight linkage with 3 97s for many years and thousands of miles, with no problems or ill effects. The carbs have to be built and jetted properly, usually with #43 mains and # 69 power valves, along with careful synchronization. The result is very crisp throttle response and decent (20 mpg) highway millage. Intake manifold design and manufacture can vary in performance, but the Navarro I'm using works great with straight linkage. The only negative may be slightly worse city stop/go millage v.s. running progressive linkage.


39topless 08-12-2014 11:36 AM

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Wow, you guys are great. Lots of really good info. The only other engine mods are finned heads and remote coil. Right now I have to remove and clean the spark plugs about every 100 miles. Maybe I can make the adjustments and lean it down. Thanks so much.
Phil

39topless 08-12-2014 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by 36tbird (Post 926194)
Phil, you are right to address this issue. I had a friend who ran 3x2 with straight linkage. It ran very rich to the point that it carboned up the valve seats excessively. Finally one valve top broke off due to the carbon build up and the now loose valve top destroyed the valve seat area as it careened around in there. Block was a total loss.

Wow1 Thanks for the warning. I'll try to get this leaned up before driving it much.
Phil

39topless 08-12-2014 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by uncle max (Post 926301)
... A page from my book!

The ultimate compliment!!!!:)

36tbird 08-12-2014 12:53 PM

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Yo Max, I do run my 2 Uncle Max 81's straight.;)

my4dv8 08-12-2014 02:19 PM

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You can not really run 2x2 successfully any other way than straight.

Quote:

Originally Posted by 36tbird (Post 926356)
Yo Max, I do run my 2 Uncle Max 81's straight.;)


36tbird 08-12-2014 05:04 PM

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Uh yeah, hence the "wink".

V8 Bob 08-13-2014 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by 39topless (Post 926342)
The ultimate compliment!!!!:)

I agree....thanks Max. :) Oh, and my 97s came from Uncle max. :cool:

Bruce Lancaster 08-13-2014 08:39 AM

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The Carbfather speaks! Now, about that book...

39topless 08-17-2014 03:43 PM

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I've learned a lot from the sources suggested by you all. Thanks again. I turned the jets down on the middle carb to a very lean setting and cleaned the spark plugs. Drove about a mile to the store, returned home and removed a plug. Found it to be completely black with carbon (after 1 mile!). Would there be any advantage to disconnecting the two dumper carbs and just work with the middle one until I get the thing running right and then reconnect the dumpers? Sorry for my ignorance but this is my first three carb setup.

scooder 08-17-2014 03:51 PM

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When you said "I turned the jets down on the middle carb to a very lean setting" you talking about the idle mixture screws on the base of the carb?
This does not affect the main jets, these are different, and unless you have adjustable main jets, and your actually adjusting these.
What you adjusting?
Martin.

39topless 08-17-2014 04:09 PM

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Martin, I am adjusting the two screws on the front base of the carb. I start the engine, turn the idle screw up to get some rpm's then adjust these two screws. I turn each one in until the engine begins to run rough, then back off until engine runs smooth. But these aren't the right ones? AAAARRRRGGGHHHHHH!!!!

JSeery 08-17-2014 04:32 PM

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I would suggest you remove and block off the two outer manifold openings and concentrate on the remaining center carb until you get the carb theory straighten out. There are a lot of tuning skills required to run multiple carbs. Get some information on carb tuning and study up a little. Might want to consider Uncle Max to help with the jetting. Once you get the single carb straighten out and some tuning skills under your belt, than add the other carbs back in.

39topless 08-17-2014 04:54 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JSeery (Post 929459)
I would suggest you remove and block off the two outer manifold openings and concentrate on the remaining center carb until you get the carb theory straighten out. There are a lot of tuning skills required to run multiple carbs. Get some information on carb tuning and study up a little. Might want to consider Uncle Max to help with the jetting. Once you get the single carb straighten out and some tuning skills under your belt, than add the other carbs back in.

Would it work to just cut off the fuel supply to the outside carbs? (or remove the linkage to them?)
Thanks, Phil

JSeery 08-17-2014 05:46 PM

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You could put blocker plates under them. It would probably work to do as you suggested, but there would be some leakage around the throttle plates, I think I would make some thin plates to block them as a temp fix.

39topless 08-17-2014 09:10 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JSeery (Post 929498)
You could put blocker plates under them. It would probably work to do as you suggested, but there would be some leakage around the throttle plates, I think I would make some thin plates to block them as a temp fix.

sounds good, thanks

lonewolf 08-18-2014 01:35 AM

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http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=v2FHaX8pIJc

scooder 08-18-2014 01:49 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by 39topless (Post 929451)
Martin, I am adjusting the two screws on the front base of the carb. I start the engine, turn the idle screw up to get some rpm's then adjust these two screws. I turn each one in until the engine begins to run rough, then back off until engine runs smooth. But these aren't the right ones? AAAARRRRGGGHHHHHH!!!!

Sorry bud, thems the idle mixture screws. To alter main jets you gotta get parts removed and swap the main jets.
Martin.

39topless 08-18-2014 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by lonewolf (Post 929718)

Excellent! Thank you so much.

39topless 08-18-2014 10:01 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by scooder (Post 929722)
Sorry bud, thems the idle mixture screws. To alter main jets you gotta get parts removed and swap the main jets.
Martin.

Alright!!! I just learnt me somethin'. Thank you. I'm beginning to see why lots of guys with old cars just pay someone else to do the work for them. But then what would be the point of owning the old car? 3/2's are a booger but once I get this thing figured out, they'll be MY booger.http://www.fordbarn.com/forum/images/icons/icon4.gif


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