English Ford Model Y
 

Here's an English Ford Y I'm working on for a customer. It's also called Ford 8 which I thought meant the 85hp V8 but no it's a 23hp 4 cylinder about half the size of the Model A.

http://i672.photobucket.com/albums/v...Y/100_1636.jpg
http://s672.photobucket.com/user/abu..._1636.jpg.html
Here's some more pictures:

http://s672.photobucket.com/user/abu...935%20Ford%20Y
Some specs.:

mm
inches

2286
90

1143
45

1143
45

3581
141

1397
55





700 kg
1543 lb

Ford


Straight 4
0.9 litre
933 cc
(56.935 cu in)
56.6 × 92.5 mm
2.23 × 3.64 in
0.61
side valve (SV)
2 valves per cylinder
8 valves in total
22.3 PS (22 bhp) (16.4 kW)
at 4000 rpm
23.6 bhp/litre
0.39 bhp/cu in

Sorry the specs didn't post correctly.

Tony

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WOW , she,s a wee beauty mate !!!
I have 1 of these also , but not as nice or complete. I bought mine over from New Zealand as a container stuffer with my 36 in avatar.
Cheers
Tony (also)

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My wife has one aswell. Will get on it sometime soon.
The 8 bit, this means 8hp, nothing to do with the actual power, just a number arrived at using a formula Of number or cylinders and bore size. Using this formula, a 221 V8 was 30 hp, Model A 4 cylinder was 24hp. Their was a small bore version in th UK, that was 14.9 hp. This nonsense was all to do with tax.
All that aside, the Model Y is a very pretty little car.
Martin.

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Thanks Martin.
I know they also call it a Ford 8 which means 8 tax horsepower and really nothing to do with real hp.
RAC means Royal Automobile Club

The RAC (British) formula for calculating tax horsepower:http://upload.wikimedia.org/math/e/9...bd7d268810.png
So (2.23" bore x 2.23 x 4) / 2.5 = 7.956 hp. How come they did that? The more hp you had the more it cost to register the car.

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The horsepower tax stunted car development in the UK. Because the stroke wasn't taken into consideration, it led to UK engine development heading down the small bore/long stroke route.

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I think a V8-60 would look great under the hood.

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In my opinion, if you look at a Model Y and don't think about sliding a V8 60 there be something wrong with you!
This may happen to Blues (wife) Y, I haven't ruled it out. I don't have a 60 here, but do have an ongoing option on one. But the gearbox (transmission) is the hurdle financially. It would have a narrowed Model A axle (got) if it happened. The problem with early Ford gearboxes is, in the last few years become made out of solid gold pricewise, in the uk.
Martin.

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As for the Y parts,Try Horipito wreckers in NZ,they have tons of old ford parts,and as I know from looking for a driveshaft for my 33 that there is a lot of early ford 8 and 10 stuff there.
lawrie

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Is this the original 'Crash Palace'?

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Yes.

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Mine will probably get a very trick v8/60 !

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For a tranny use a T5 available a reasonable cost and offers 5 speed with 5th OD. Bell adaptors are available for T5 to V8 60 engines.

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Very nice
this car is also called the 8 hp Ford. This 8 hp figure is British horsepower not American. The Britts figure horsepower a different method than we here in the USA. I have several model Y. I have a completely original 1932 two-door sedan. I have a roadster the 11th one made in production. This car came from Australia. I purchased it at the Turlock swap meet in the 70s. The car in your picture I call a 33 or 34. My cars I call 32's as they have unskirted fenders, 32 style bumpers. I purchased a basket case 32 two-door sedan as a parts car for my roadster. The car was so nice I decided to restore it. The roadster needed a lot of sheet-metal repair which has been completed. Lots of work still needed here. My other quests on these cars is to convert them to left hand steering. These cars were made in Dagahime England. They were made not only for England use but for euorpe too. Sweden at the time had left-hand drive model wise. I was able to purchase steering and clutch and brake pedal to make the conversion. I have yet to start on this project as I am trying to finish my 1933 Victoria. I do have a 1932 model Y two-door sedan for sale. This car runs and drives. It has all interior original. It also has the original top. The car has been painted poor job. Called the call me if there is any interest out there. Nick cassaro 510-889-1933

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Actually it was ''Smash Palace'' in the film ; great scene when the train is coming at the Model A roadster, only to miss it being parked on another line.

Hard to tell the year of Model Y's other than the early bumpers & radiator height etc.
They were made up to 1937, so are not all ''33 '34's & the last ones were renamed Ford Popular as a new restyled Ford 8 was released.

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And the model C that came after it looked like a "baby" 35 v8

GB

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That's a fantastic picture in opening post, it looks right at home there.

As for swapping over from rhd to lhd, maybe the parts from an Anglia would fit....they are similar size vehicles and I guess the gasser boys toss that stuff when they build a racer.The Anglias/ Populars, were virtually unchanged from the thirties to the fifties.

Nick, Sweden used to be RHD back in those days....the y was built in France ,Germany and Spain as well as Dagenham.....you LHD parts are probably from one of those Id say.Id love to see pictures of your roadster version as Ive never heard of one off those before.There was a sedan converted into a Pheaton over here a few years ago that looked quite good.

Here is a place that has spares for the little Fords.

http://www.smallfordspares.co.uk

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Designed by Bob Gregorie for 1932 production in Britain and Europe, Australia, NZ etc..
They then scaled it up to become the 33/34 USA V8's.

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Not British horse power, it's a tax thing. British horse power is the same as any other horse power around the globe. Torque X RPM / 5252.
I can't see the dash. But if it's a one piece pressing it is after April 35 , ealyer long rads had an insert with the gauges in (like a 33-34 V8, Im led to believe it actually fits in the 33-34 V8 dash). There's lots of changes in production that can normally track the date quite close.
Martin.

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Here's some model identification: http://www.fordyandcmodelregister.co...ification.html

And some history: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Model_Y

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The challenge with the V8-60 is steering. The current location of the steering column as it exists the firewall is smack dab in the head of the V860. It's not an insurmountable job and if you were converting to LHD, it would have to be fiddled with anyway. This may be one application where those offset chain re-drives might work well.

I've done a great deal of "tape measure engineering" on this conversion as I've owned two of these great little cars - I brought the second one home with me. It is a '37, runs and drives and is one of my long-term projects.

There is a good thread on the HAMB that isn't currently active, but a search should turn it up easily enough. Lots of info.

My plans for the V860 were to use an 103-type front axle that puts the axle behind the spring and move the front crossmember forward about 3-4". There is room in the radiator shell to move the radiator forward nearly the same amount (whether or not you can cool a 60 with that small radiator remains to be seen).

The firewall & footwell will require some surgery and installing the T5 will require frame rework. The only wrinkle here? The body is rivited to the frame and while it can be relatively easily unrivited and then bolted on later, it is yet another small niggly bit that must be sorted.

For me, the real challenge was the front and rear axles. The front axle was a straightforward solution in my eyes. I was going to have a custom width tube axle fabricated that took early Ford kingpins and most likely use F1/F100 front brakes.

Out back was another story entirely. The Y is so petit and tiny that there really isn't an acceptable swap that goes in without looking complete out of place. And getting the early bolt ford 5x5.5 bolt pattern onto anything that might fit (small import) is near impossible. I was originally looking at modifying later popular open drive stuff - mixing and matching 103/105 and other bits. But I never did figure it completely out.

There was one interesting option. If you could use two short-side E83W axle housings and axles, you could machine the internals to take Model-A guts (in theory - I never actually did it - but it measured out about right) and center banjo section. You would end up with an axle that was quite short and took the early British Ford ends (or whatever ends you wanted to make work). E83W are scarce enough as it is and while I didn't search super hard for these axle housings, I did always sort of have my eye open for them while living in the UK.

There's also a good book on it:

http://www.amazon.com/Ford-Model-Hen.../dp/1901295885


I will eventually put a V8-60 into my Y, but it's a long term project on the back burner. ;)

Here's a pic of mine.

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One of the challenges of driving a stock one is a) lack of power and b) ridiculously low gearing (5.44:1). You can put a 103E engine in with only minor modifications and jump the horsepower up considerably. There are even many aftermarket bits to get a 103E to put out around 60HP or so...which is actually a pretty strong engine for such a tiny car.

If you're willing to go open drive, you can then use a 105 tranny and there were even bolt-on overdrives with their own lever (all mechanical - almost making it a 6-speed).

The back axle in this case is most easily made out of the mix-n-match 103/105 stuff I mentioned earlier.

When I was looking into this as a temporary measure until I could fully engineer a V860 swap, I discovered that the little Jeep Go-Devil 134 engine would probably fit right in there too. It came with 60HP stock and could probably be mildly modified with standard porting, milling heads, open exhaust, intake and electronic ignition to put out around 80HP I'd guess. There was at least one aftermarket head for it too - very rare and I've only ever seen one on eBay.

Now you've got an engine that has a plethora of adapters for various transmissions to bolt up to. Puts out a healthy-enough HP number for such a small car. Is small and light enough to fit into the Y without over-burdening it.

You're still stuck for a back axle though.... ;)

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Speedway engineering in LA has a small quickchange that they will make what ever width you want , that will give you the bolt pattern you want also & rear discs & the features of a Q/C rear axle.
Cheers
Tony

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Ern, Suzuki jeep axle. Same pcd. Not too wide. I'm talking the little SJ type. Come in a few ratios, 5.13:1 4 something:1 and 3.9:1. I think. As for open drive original axle, use 100E stuff. This is the same design as the Pop (Anglia) and back to Model Y. This would give 100E ratio 4.429:1. Easy way to do it would be fuzzing some Model Y spring mounts on it and stick it in. You'd have to figure out brakes n stuff. But it's a reasonable place to start.
Martin.

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Might be worth looking into some furrincar independent rear for something this small. As with any really light car, almost anything normally used in hot rods is going to give a terrible problem with unsprung weight. Even if I contribute my magnesium banjo!
An open axle midget setup might be as light as you could reasonably get with a live axle.
E83...Looong ago, the Hot Rod magazine tech column did a short piece on the various obscure Ford England components out there in the world, mostly about those ultra-shorts because they could be used to assemble a dragster rear!

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Interesting

http://www.1speedway.com/Rear_End_Measurement_Page.htm

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bump

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I saw one a few months back that had a v8 60 just dropped in it ,it was a un finished project , see if I can get a photo .Ted .

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If you can, see what they did with the steering. I did some tape-measure engineering on mine - the steering column would come out right smack in the middle of the right head/block area...

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Of course, if you're not interested in the more traditional flat-head 4-cyl of some variety or another, or a V860 is too much to work with regards to steering and suspension, the Fiat Twin Cam is always an option! ;)

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would a cowl steering setup work?

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Tony I live right down the road from you, so if you need any help, stop in.
Ol Ron

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If someone needs one of theese little flathead 4cyls i have one in the storage...supposed to be rebuilt for a boat...any descent offer brings it home !!

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Perhaps...if you went fenderless...and I don't care for the look of cowl steering on anything but race cars or race-inspired cars.

I think one of those offset chain re-drives might work...

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I think he had the steering box removed you could consider the stock box with a two U joint to go under ,rotate the box anty clock wise HHmmmm . the boxes are most likely ,?? actually the casting can brake , Ted

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A friend has a German Y car, LH drive. He put a V8 60 in it. By all means use a crab
distributor, with some ingenuity it can be made to work WITHOUT an adapter....every
inch matters in this swap. He used the 60 trans and rear end.....shortening the torque tube and drive shaft and narrowing the track. '40 rear brakes and front discs and a
R&P from a rice burner. A lot of trouble with the stock steering box.....it was weak
to begin with and the exhaust heat caused it to bind up.
It look so docile until he started it up, a pair of steel packs....yikes.
Charlie ny

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Charlie,
That sounds like a damn cool little car!
Martin.

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crash palace

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If anyone has a RHD steering box for the Model y they want to part with I will purchase from you. I need one for my 35 Model Y. I'm located in upstate New York. Here in the US it's hard to find one. Does anyone know what would be a good box to swap out the Model Y box with in the event I cannot get an original Y box? I thought possibly the Anglia 105E RHD box but it is 10" shorter than the Y box and column assembly. I suppose I could get it to work if I had to.

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I may have one , will try to look later but it may be next weekend before I can check.
Cheers
Tony

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Wow that would be great!!! Maybe there is a light at the end of the tunnel!!! Please let me know when you check on it. Thanks