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11-05-2012, 03:43 PM | #1 |
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Hi all,
when I talk about my 33 Phaeton (Right Hand Drive, 4 Cylinder), a lot of folks both on here and off, say it is a very rare and desirable car. Looking at only 33 and 34 Phaetons... I have seen one web site quote production figures as follows... 1933 - 1483 De Lux and 232 Standard 1934 - 3128 De Lux and 373 Standard Can anyone confirm these numbers ? It is not clear if these are TOTAL figures of phaetons produced in every country or just the USA built cars... anyone ?? Is there no "register" for 33/34 Phaetons ? one place where all owners would log in the details of their cars so that anyone can see how many cars survive, which countries they are in, what condition they are in etc ? I wouldn't mind collecting that data and making it available if there is no such register already. Let me know what you guys think CJ |
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A friend of mine, Johnny Norris, then of Bristol, Tenn., and I did that very same thing, back in the early 70s. We tried to register all 1933-1934 Phaetons. We ended up with a little over 220 Phaetons. There are probably more now, as some must have been restored out of pieces. Plus some more, probably have been discovered in barns, etc. Some just refused to register their cars. We were able to collect photos of about 150 of them. This was done before the internet. It should be easier to do, nowdays. I have a friend, in California, who is thinking of doing it again. We'll see. It is very time consuming. MIKE Last edited by FL&WVMIKE; 11-05-2012 at 03:58 PM. |
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Theres a Guy in Aust who has done some, maybe just Australian models ( friend of Trevor pulsen ) Rob ??
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From the George DeAngelis/Ed Francis book, "The Early Ford V-8, As Henry Built It", the DOMESTIC U.S. production of 1933 model phaetons is listed as: standards - 214 V-8s and 337 fours, deluxes - 1,450 V-8s and 175 fours or 1,668 V-8s and 512 fours for a total of 2,180.
For 1934, U.S. production of phaetons was 3,657 V-8s and 1,005 fours, all deluxe models, as all 1934 standard phaetons were assembled outside of the U.S. (I once owned one assembled in Sao Paulo, Brasil.) The above data are from Ford's monthly production records ("Assembly Record Types") surviving today in the Benson Ford Research Center in Dearborn. I have worked with these records and they are not limited to U.S. domestic production, but rather contain Ford's vehicle production by type, by assembly plant, worldwide. I can understand why George and Ed limited their reporting to domestic production as once you look at the worldwide figures, the data get messy. Messy in the sense that model years and calendar years become way out of alignment in many cases with a given model type, such as the Model 48 (1935 models), for example, being produced on into the 1936 calendar year or even beyond at some non-U.S. assembly plants. I once pulled all of that data from the same records cited above for the world-wide pre-WWII production of passenger cars for the Early Ford V-8 Club of America and it was published as a part of their register of members for several years. Eventually it was no longer published as evidently some hobbyists had difficulty keeping model years and calendar years straight in their thinking, especially when the model years extended out over 2, 3, 4 or more calendar years. That's understandable as in the case of the 1932 models, for example, the last one built was in 1936 in Europe. Those of you who have "The 1932 Ford Book, A Production Chronicle and Restoration Guide" will recall that its Appendix A-4 tackles the subject of worldwide production. In that appendix, the declining popularity of phaetons (and roadsters) in the Northern Hemisphere was not mirrored in the Southern Hemisphere until the second half of the decade of the 'thirties and as result, the domestic U.S. production figures for phaetons, especially, in the first half of that decade grossly understate the number produced worldwide. For example, there were 2,491 1932 model phaetons (standards, deluxes, fours, and V-8s) produced in the U.S., but 5,251 produced worldwide (including the U.S.), more than double the U.S. production figure. I have the '33-'34 worldwide phaeton production figures back at the ranch, but won't be there for several more weeks. I can dig them out and post them at that time. Last edited by DavidG; 04-14-2014 at 08:06 PM. Reason: spelling |
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I live in Camarillo Ca. and there are 3 that are street driven often and there is also a basket case one here . Saw 3 others at a car show near salvang Ca. last Sunday
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there was a register going in Australia that was tied to the U.S one in the 70s ,someone would have that still ,Trevor Poulson in Qld would be a good start ,i know mine was on it,,,body# 40P862,,there is a thread on the HAMB with a black Aussie 33 in the US being resurrected,it was claimed as being Aussie body #5 being the former Phil Woodbridge car,,4-12-2010_067.jpg
thats my red 34 in 1980 ,,still have it ,, |
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Thanks for all your input guys !!
I think someone should combine the data from who ever collected them in the past. FL&WVMike, Those 150 photos will be really nice to see !! you should may be upload all of them onto an album on flickr may be. I can't imagine why some owners did NOT want to register their cars ?? There is a Right Hand Drive "B" Phaeton in Colombia in very good condition. I wonder if that one was included in the previous "register" there is a lovely video of it on YouTube. If no one seems to be going ahead with collecting the data again, Pass all the info on to me and I'll be glad to do it |
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I have had a 34 pheaton for about ten years. Bought it apart at Hershey. I have driven it all over the country. Love the car. It is a hot rod. I just purchased a 34 roadster. The body on the pheaton has never been off the frame. [email protected]
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Loading those photos into an album is an idea, that I had not thought about. The problem, right now, is my information is stored 800 miles away. I'm not sure when I would be able to pick them up. Some people did not want to register their phaeton, as before the prices jumped up on the cars, you were pestered to death, about selling them. I do have a lot of history, documented, on many 1933-34 Phaetons. MIKE |
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Heres my 33. Robert Hayward is the guy with the Auzy numbers he is on here .
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Very nice to see photos of the 33/34 Phaetons on this thread.
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Here are a couple of 34's
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wow that car at the diner looks very smart !!
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Here are a couple of 33's from a V8 club get together this past Sunday .
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wow !! very nice !! Thank you for posting "1932 V8"
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Here is another one from NZ
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Nice !! i notice the grill slats seem to be painted black in that one...were some cars produced with black slats on the grill ?
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Here is a vintage photo of an unknown Phaeton. It could be anywhere, nowdays. Perhaps it is of your restored Phaeton, or my unrestored one !
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In 1981, I commenced a Model 40 Register for Australian made 1933-34 Ford Phaetons, to date there are 86 on register, regardless original, restored, hot rod or basket case, each has a cowl number 40P*** stamped on the left side of firewall. The lowest number on register is 40P3 and the highest 40P995. In recent years some of these Phaetons have been shipped to America and some to New Zealand. A few years back a fellow Ford enthusiast, who owns an original 1933 Phaeton, obtained access to Ford Australia archives in Geelong, Victoria. He has confirmed that 1007 Australian Model 40 Phaetons were produced and production commencing in July 1933 and concluding in February 1935 with the change over date from 33 to 34 style being Monday 12th February 1934. There were 1007 Phaetons produced, the first 420 were 33 model and the remaining 587 were 34 model.. 549 as Standard and 458 as Deluxe... 315 with 4 cylinder and 692 with V8s Whilst the American produced Phaeton and Australian Phaeton look similar, there is a number of differences. Mainly the USA version has an all steel floor, narrower centre post between front and rear doors and longer drop doors with no extra panel between sill and running board. Both have doors and cowl with timber framing.
I would appreciate contact with owners of Aussie made Phaetons, from their cowl number I can indicate which month the vehicle was made. Robert Hayward |
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Those Oz production figures are interesting Rob. I did not realise they were available. I had one once. Manuel in Oz |
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Robert, do you have a table with them broken down into the different categories eg. 1933 - 27, standard 4cyl?
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There were 420 Phaetons made in 1933 ... 246 were Standard and 174 were Deluxe .... can not indicate V8's as to 4 cylinder ...
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Here's my '34.My Dad bought in 1963 for $700.00. It was an older restoration that drove good. I did a very amateur restoration when I was 17. He gave it to me about 18 years ago. Still runs good with the 37 engine that was in it when he got it. I'm finally getting around to moving th front seat back 2'' so it's more comfortable to drive.
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Another one that has been found 1933 standard its a old survivor and out of its 50 year hibernation
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Here's a '34 tub back on the ranch in Texas, back in the day....belonging to some LBJ/Lady Bird folks. DD
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I tried to get that phaeton in our Register. I had seen a photo of LBJ in "LIFE" magazine, with his phaeton. I wrote to LBJ, explaining the 1933-34 Phaeton Listing and what we were trying to do, but this was less than a week, before he died, so I guess that my letter, etc., is lost to history. I wouldn't be surprised that that phaeton was still stored, back on the LBJ Ranch, somewhere. MIKE (mikeburch) |
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Sorry to say, but I did not bring back my information. I was not able to get into my attic, where it is stored. Perhaps, this Spring, I will be able. Maybe, someone has an old listing. Everyone who registered, received a listing. MIKE (mikeburch) |
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I have a 33 Standard Phaeton. See pics in my public album.
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Here's another of LBJ's phaeton...
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Wow, the car appears to be relatively un-touched from the years-past photo, including the wheels, tires, and even the machine gun ports on top of the fenders. Those headlights work well on a '34. DD
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My Dad had a restoration shop in the 1980s and drove out to the LBJ Ranch to inspect the phaeton for the purpose of estimating cost of restoration. He has the letter hanging on his wall, signed and on her letterhead, of her thanking him for coming out and expressing her regret that she couldn't afford to restore the car at that time. Here are scans of the polaroids he took, probably around '83 or so? It is still out there at the ranch, which is now under control of the national park service, and as evidenced by the more recent pics of it, the park service must have found the money somewhere to get it fixed up a little bit with some fresh paint. Notice the wet bar and gun racks for the backseat passengers!
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Here's a before and after of one we've recently saved that is now ready for final assembly. It is one of three '33 and one '34 phaetons I've had over the years.
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Hi Mike, I registered with you and still have the original registry you sent me. The 34 Phaeton is still in my garage in pristine condition. We used it with our four kids on trips all over the West Coast, towing a repro Mullens. We did this with the Santa Clara Valley Roadsters. Quite a family adventure remembered daily. My middle daughter has been enamored with the tub since she was a child, always cleaning and helping. She is now 51 and we gave it to her for her 40th birthday, although it is in my garage where i keep it up. I also have had a nice 33 5 window coupe with a 34 hood & grille since 1961 and a 53 Customline with an Ardun in it. All are resto rods in very nice condition. Hopefully, someone will take over where you left off. Best, Tom Stryker Reno, Nevada. Formerly of San Jose. Last edited by Ardun; 04-17-2017 at 09:47 AM. |
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I was a member of the phaeton register back in mid 1970's. I then owned #1513 (1933)
I did a ground up restoration. I showed the phaeton along with my restored roadster at the San Diego western national V-8 meet 1974. The 2 cars were built as twins( duncan blue paint )only difference was white wall tires on phaeton and black on roadster. I sold that phaeton so I could buy the oldest (at that time) 33 phaeton # 64 . I have 3 years ago restored that phaeton. (several upgrades--auto trans C-4 --hyd brakes-- 1/2 rack steering----washington blue color (32 color ) also the Frame # 18-177xxx is an 1932 # it also has the 1932 heavy axel . I believe this car was made in first week of phaeton roadster production. I have in the past thought of doing the phaeton register again as Mike did just haven't gotten around to it. Also I DID NOT modify my body or original frame. I used another frame My roadster ( I bought in high school 1959 ) also has a low frame # 18- 234xxx |
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I just did a post what happened to it ?
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Very cool. Any pictures of the cars? Was the second one a standard or deluxe.
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Here are a couple of '34's. The green one has been in this town since it was new. The black one was in a building fire and crushed on the back side.
It was a basket case that has been resurrected and turned out fantastic. I am starting on a '33 Standard which is going to be black on black and I think is absolutely beautiful. Add these three to the registry if anyone ever starts one. |
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Stunning cars and in black wow that's awesome. If you can please post some details of the standard . I have conflicting information on the some info like interior materials, handles and what is black or chrome Nickle. Thank you
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Originally there was lots of black. The windshield frame, windshield frame finger pulls, windshield posts, top irons, rear window frame (inside and out), and rear view mirror bracket were all painted black. The top, side curtain, and top boot were all black canvas with an off-white interior side.
An early standard open car had a "interior gray" painted dash (a carryover '32 model interior color more brown than gray) and according to Ford's engineering releases, the late standard open car dashes were woodgrained like those in deluxe open cars, but without the ash tray and cigar lighter. The interior door handles and their escutcheons were bright nickel plated. The engine-turned instrument panel was chrome plated as was the surrounding molding. The floor mats front and rear were taupe colored, the same as the deluxe phaetons. The standard open car upholstery material was black/brown, the same as '32 standard open cars and all '32-'34 commercial vehicles and trucks. I am unaware of any material available at present that is an exact match to the original. |
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HI, I'm Luis Velez, from Colombia. In febrary came to me a 1933 Phaeton that another guy was doing but passed away. This car came from Uruguay and it was RHD. I think this car was built in the Buenos Aires - Argentina plant because they drove right hand until mid 40s. The car has been converted to LHD now but keeping its 4 cylinder engine. I know of two other Phaetons here in Colombia, one is a "33 with dual side mounts factory fitted and the other is a "34 V8 and both of them are american made.
I've been trying to figure out how the backrest of the rear seat is fixed to the car. There are a couple of female hinges riveted to the floor and the wood frame of the backrest has two small holes each side at bottom that i guess are for the male part of the hinges and the Body Parts List mention a "catch" to hold the backrest in place i think. Can some body help me with pictures of all this thing and the length of the half hinge that bolts to the frame which is going to give me the correct height of the backrest? Thank you very much. |
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The first attached photo show the seat back portion of the hinge plus the male and female catches that attach below the belt line wood on the upper back panel of the body (the female on the body side and the male on the wood seat back side). Also shown in the first photo is an original hinge pin. The second photo shows both parts of one of the hinges installed in my '33.
The female seat back catches show up fairly regularly as they were used on other body types as well (I may have an extra; I'll have to check after Hershey). The male portion is more of a challenge to find if yours is missing. I'm away from my old car stuff at present so I am unable to provide dimensions. |
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Thank you very much David, that's what i was looking for. i have to start by getting that vertical channel that hangs from the belt rail wood to the floor. I guess it uses just one female catch that bolts to the channel and one male catch on the center of the wood frame
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Actually, the female catch attaches to a block of wood attached to the underside of the belt rail wood off center of the steel vertical strainer that you are missing. Therefore the male portion of the latch is not centered on the top of the back of seat back wood frame. I will have to check my photo files to find a photo to show their placement.
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Does anyone have a picture of the rear seat springs top and bottom for a 1933. I had a few phaetons 32 33 34 and model a and have a few seat springs piled up. I can't figure out what's what thanks
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thanks again David. if you find some of this parts extra, i'll be glad. my email is
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I have a 1934 phaeton in Omaha Ne. purchased it out of Florida over 10 years ago. I have trouble posting pictures but will try again. |
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The above picture is of the Tub section of an Aussie 34 Ford Phaeton. Of special note is the Steel Floor. That is the only part of the Floor that was Steel on Australian built 1934 Fords. The rest was made up of wood. |
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more Phaetons
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10-02-2017, 05:33 AM | #58 | |
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Great work Rob, appreciate you and your friends effort in collecting all this information.
To us aussies here, this information is very significant and also a historical reminder of the limited Ford production and body styles produced down under. I dont think our overseas counterparts realise how limited and rare our productions were. Quote:
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10-02-2017, 06:08 AM | #59 |
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Hey Robert, give us an update / estimate on how many 1933 & 1934 tourers are on the road or almost on the road in Australia. Dave
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12-15-2018, 09:14 PM | #60 |
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I picked up this '34 this past summer in NC. Needs a deep cleaning and some minor mechanical work before I take it out. Happy to add it to a register anyone is keeping.
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12-15-2018, 09:49 PM | #61 |
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2 owners before me of my 33 standard phaeton was a guy who restored 33 and 34 radios. So, of course he put one in the car as well as adding cowl lights. When and if I restore this car (it still has the original top) I will remove the cowl lights and radio.
One of my best friends since grade school has an Aussie 33 deluxe phaeton, body #8. It came from the same person I got mine from. |
12-16-2018, 04:09 PM | #62 |
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My 34 standard I’m trying to decide what to do with
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12-16-2018, 07:12 PM | #63 |
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I wish I had your problem.
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12-16-2018, 07:39 PM | #64 |
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Go for it! It looks a heck of a lot better than the '33 standard that I (not me, really, but my long time friend/world-class metal-smith/painter) resurrected.
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12-27-2018, 04:26 PM | #65 |
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Just looking through some old posts is this the type of craftsmanship David's talking about, getting harder to find now ,
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