Model AR

[Mike V. Florida]

Originally Posted by todd3131

Until I started reading this web site a couple of years ago I had never heard the term early 28 which isn't a Ford term anymore than ar is or deciding to call them 400 a instead of a400. Who decided that this is wrong and to change the nomenclature? It seems to me someone has way too much time on their hands to change something that works just fine.

Here's the problem, change whose nomenclature, Fords? Ford never used that nomenclature for the early A's. They did use it to denote parts that were never to be used on production cars as has been stated above.

The two national clubs in their documentation don't use AR to denote whole vehicles, Ford as mentioned never used AR to denote whole vehicles, so again whose nomenclature are you speaking of in your statement?

You said "I had never heard the term early 28 which isn't a Ford term" neither is late 1931, May 1929 and your point is what? If you are referring to a group of vehicles, then again I point to the two national clubs as they do recognize a group of vehicles with certain parts as Early 1928 as described in the literature .

And the 400A and A400, 400A IS a Ford term, A400 is not, maybe Ford had too much time on his hands.

The whole point is to bring everyone on the same page as far as nomenclature. These has NEVER been a question here or in any magazine on what is an early 1928, but these have been several what is an AR.

[pgerhardt]

What feature(s) does an early 28 need to have to be an "early 28". I am assuming the brake system with no separate parking brake. I restored a 28 Huckster with an original red steering wheel and a powerhouse generator, but separate parking brake system with the brake lever in front of the shifter. So I guess is was a "sort of early 28".

[dean from bozeman]

The day I first met my boyhood hero, Doc Kalinka, at Hershey is the day that I saw A495 for the first time. On the flight(s) to Hershey from Montana, I reread photocopies of Doc's articles on the early A's, so I would be able to understand what I was going to see. (Aside: At that point my desire was to learn from A495, not "fall in love with it".)

I met Doc over in the old green field. We talked about some of the very early features on A495. Now I must say that even in Doc's old articles some parts were referred to as "AR", but times and the nomenclature had changed. When I said, "AR" Doc corrected me. We continued to talk. I inadvertently said "AR" again in the conversation. Doc stopped, looked me in the eyes and said, 'If you ever say AR again, I'll kick you in the shin'. I didn't and I don't say AR anymore.

P.S. I will not say what it is but I am working on something that may give additional clarity to identification of very early and early Model A parts. Hopefully, I will have it done in time for the ve28 talks that I will be presenting at the MARC and MAFCA national meets this summer.

[DougT]

Originally Posted by pgerhardt

What feature(s) does an early 28 need to have to be an "early 28". I am assuming the brake system with no separate parking brake. I restored a 28 Huckster with an original red steering wheel and a powerhouse generator, but separate parking brake system with the brake lever in front of the shifter. So I guess is was a "sort of early 28".

I've always heard the cars with the E brake lever ahead of the shifter referred to as mid-28. Another non-Ford term!

[Jim Mason]

There are also BR, CR, DR parts. You can call the early 28's AR, but I get to call the late 31'S DR.

[TradModelA]

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Did you get any pics of A495? Must be one of the earliest still in existence?

[dean from bozeman]

Hi TradModelA,

To complete the story, on my way home I stopped at Gettysburg because I love American history. That night I called my wife and said that if we buy A495 it would be the last Model A I ever bought. We did, but it wasn't.

After 9+ years, A495 was completely restored. Doc Kalinka was the technical adviser. I, with help of many, found the needed parts. Mark Welch and Mark Williamson restored it. Bill Sturm did the top and upholstery.

It has been judged at French Lick (MARC 2014), Puyallup (MAFCA 2014) and Niagara Falls (MARC 2015). It was awarded Best of Show at each meet. Currently it is on display at the MAFFI Museum on the Gilmore Museum campus outside of Kalamazoo, Michigan.

This summer I will take it to the MAFCA (Loveland, CO) and MARC (Toledo, OH) national meets as a prop to help during my seminar of the very early Model A Ford parts.

So TradModel A, I do have a few photos of it. I believe that it is about the six earliest Model A known to exist.

[Randy in ca]

Originally Posted by pgerhardt

What feature(s) does an early 28 need to have to be an "early 28". I am assuming the brake system with no separate parking brake. I restored a 28 Huckster with an original red steering wheel and a powerhouse generator, but separate parking brake system with the brake lever in front of the shifter. So I guess is was a "sort of early 28".

Sounds to me like you had a late AR!!

[TradModelA]

Until what month of production did they utilize the lefthand park brake handle ?

[al's28/33]

Supposedly the brake lever (and upgraded braking system implemented) was moved to front of gear shifter in June 1928

[Mike V. Florida]

Originally Posted by pgerhardt

What feature(s) does an early 28 need to have to be an "early 28". I am assuming the brake system with no separate parking brake. I restored a 28 Huckster with an original red steering wheel and a powerhouse generator, but separate parking brake system with the brake lever in front of the shifter. So I guess is was a "sort of early 28".

The restoration guidelines will that that information. It was MARC and MAFCA that first used the and defined the E28 moniker.