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silversink · 06-30-2015, 07:21 PM

Lifted the body on the 29 coup today to show the state of Oregon the thing belongs to me and get plates so I can drive it. Low and behold the numbers left the top of the frame 550 years ago or so. The top of the frame is pitted real bad where they were supposed to be, I cleaned the top off really good and couldn't find anything. Ready to sell this thing and forget it ever was here.

Steve Plucker · 06-30-2015, 07:27 PM

If the frame is that pitted, it might not be any good! Did not the officer provide to you a way to raise the numbers off of a frame in that condition? Seems to me there is a way to do it.

Pluck

clo2jim · 06-30-2015, 07:29 PM

If this is a Canadian built Model A, the Serial numbers were not stamped on the frame starting mid-1929

Mitch//pa · 06-30-2015, 07:35 PM

they made you do that in oregon? thats insane
stamp your own

eagle · 06-30-2015, 07:59 PM

When the state cannot be reasonable, its time to take matters into your own hands. Get a set of stamps from Harbor Freight and restamp it.

Steve Wastler · 06-30-2015, 08:00 PM

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As Mitch says, stamp your own, stamp sets run about 160, get the correct font, stamp them light near where you and the officer were looking, smear some paint over it so it stands out/disguise it. I have read the number has been seen on the outside or inside the rail on a few frames.

Tom Wesenberg · 06-30-2015, 08:00 PM

I'd also do as Mitch said.

C26Pinelake · 06-30-2015, 08:07 PM

I would never stamp your own. It is illegal and you could be prosecuted. Do it the proper way and you will have nothing to worry about! Wayne

PC/SR · 06-30-2015, 08:17 PM

I agree, don't stamp your own. Those guys will spot it, and it is a crap shoot that the number you stamp is already in use. Go the DMV, or the highway patrol up, humbly, asking for help and what can be done, with your hat in one hand and check book in the other. Show them the money and somebody will get things moving.

silversink · 06-30-2015, 08:19 PM

is there any way to trace the point of sale. The coup did spend most of its life near the border in northern Washington----maybe it is a Canadian born A. The title number shows April for a date

Tom Wesenberg · 06-30-2015, 08:21 PM

Is a new title being generated?
Or is the good title being transferred?
If you have a title with matching engine number, then you are restoring the frame number. Just another step in the restoration process.

Tinker · 06-30-2015, 08:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by clo2jim

If this is a Canadian built Model A, the Serial numbers were not stamped on the frame starting mid-1929

Question. Don't you mean before mid 29?

Mitch//pa · 06-30-2015, 08:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom Wesenberg

Is a new title being generated?
Or is the good title being transferred?
If you have a title with matching engine number, then you are restoring the frame number. Just another step in the restoration process.

yep and i dont think the engine number even matters.. as long as you have a title with a vin
most engines have been swapped out anyways

Rowdy · 06-30-2015, 08:33 PM

That may be true where you are, but here all that matters pre-1948 is the engine number. Dumb law as written. Luckily it is widely ignored or unknown by the deputy's that do the inspecting and most will inspect whatever numbers you present them. Rod

H. L. Chauvin · 06-30-2015, 08:54 PM

FWIW:

If you are really interested in this car in lieu of selling it or getting rid of it , I think if you continue to explain and give:

1. More details on the partly known history of your vehicle; and,

2. Prior known title transfers of your vehicle; and,

3. More information and details about your written title; and,

4. Answers to your questions thus far from OMV/DMV and/or others,

you may get some positive helpful suggestions on "who" to ask, and "what" to ask to get your project moving in a positive direction.

Steve Wastler · 06-30-2015, 09:06 PM

Give them too much info and you're going to screw yourself. If you had to remove the body
To 'prove' ts yours you must already have a title. What else would they compare a number to? Stamp away, they are looking at a car 85 years old, as long as the number matches they won't know the difference

Mitch//pa · 06-30-2015, 09:09 PM

use a dead blow hammer

silversink · 06-30-2015, 09:23 PM

I am the third owner, I have a title that is with the car, I have the original matching numbers engine (not in the car), I have paperwork from the late 30s that covers oil changes, registrations, plus after the car was parked in 1972 the owner bought tags and never put them on the car up until 1984, I was told by the State Police the number would have to be inspected before the Washington title could be changed to an Oregon title( same story at DMV), I tried to explain the eng. no. was the dominate no. and the frame was nothing but a number matching what ever number was on the eng. Been trying to do this on the up and up but now maybe its going to get a little shady. The title I got with the car is a legal not a bought title I'm thinking of putting the original eng. back in even though it doesn't run and call out the state poice again for one last try at doing it the right way.

C26Pinelake · 06-30-2015, 09:29 PM

Certainly a better idea Than stamping your own numbers. If you stamp your own you could be charged criminally with fraud and have your vehicle confiscated. Stamping your own numbers would be very, very foolish ! Wayne

clo2jim · 06-30-2015, 09:37 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by clo2jim

If this is a Canadian built Model A, the Serial numbers were not stamped on the frame starting mid-1929

Question. Don't you mean before mid 29?

Actually from the Canadian A's Section in the Judging Standards:
"The manufacturing date was usually on the left side until approximately September 1928.

From late 1928 through 1931 patent data plates were not used, even though holes were drilled in the firewall."

06-30-2015, 07:21 PM	#1
silversink Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Dayton Oregon Posts: 318	no numbers now what? Lifted the body on the 29 coup today to show the state of Oregon the thing belongs to me and get plates so I can drive it. Low and behold the numbers left the top of the frame 550 years ago or so. The top of the frame is pitted real bad where they were supposed to be, I cleaned the top off really good and couldn't find anything. Ready to sell this thing and forget it ever was here. __________________ Hotrods don't have valve covers

06-30-2015, 07:27 PM	#2
Steve Plucker BANNED Join Date: May 2010 Location: Walla Walla, Washington USA Posts: 6,066	Re: no numbers now what? If the frame is that pitted, it might not be any good! Did not the officer provide to you a way to raise the numbers off of a frame in that condition? Seems to me there is a way to do it. Pluck

06-30-2015, 07:29 PM	#3
clo2jim Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Northern Ontario, Canada Posts: 175	Re: no numbers now what? If this is a Canadian built Model A, the Serial numbers were not stamped on the frame starting mid-1929

06-30-2015, 07:35 PM	#4
Mitch//pa BANNED Join Date: May 2010 Location: Bucks County, PA Posts: 11,454	Re: no numbers now what? they made you do that in oregon? thats insane stamp your own Last edited by Mitch//pa; 06-30-2015 at 08:31 PM.

06-30-2015, 07:59 PM	#5
eagle Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Eagle Bend, MN Posts: 2,025	Re: no numbers now what? When the state cannot be reasonable, its time to take matters into your own hands. Get a set of stamps from Harbor Freight and restamp it. __________________ "There are some that can destroy an anvil with a teaspoon and shouldn't be allowed to touch anything resembling a tool."

06-30-2015, 08:00 PM	#6
Steve Wastler Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 1,987	Re: no numbers now what? Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) As Mitch says, stamp your own, stamp sets run about 160, get the correct font, stamp them light near where you and the officer were looking, smear some paint over it so it stands out/disguise it. I have read the number has been seen on the outside or inside the rail on a few frames.

06-30-2015, 08:00 PM	#7
Tom Wesenberg Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Mpls, MN Posts: 27,582	Re: no numbers now what? I'd also do as Mitch said.

06-30-2015, 08:07 PM	#8
C26Pinelake BANNED Join Date: May 2010 Location: Michigan / Ontario border, Sarnia, Ontario. 50 miles from Detroit and 150 from Toronto. Posts: 5,800	Re: no numbers now what? I would never stamp your own. It is illegal and you could be prosecuted. Do it the proper way and you will have nothing to worry about! Wayne

06-30-2015, 08:17 PM	#9
PC/SR Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Santa Rosa, CA Posts: 1,279	Re: no numbers now what? I agree, don't stamp your own. Those guys will spot it, and it is a crap shoot that the number you stamp is already in use. Go the DMV, or the highway patrol up, humbly, asking for help and what can be done, with your hat in one hand and check book in the other. Show them the money and somebody will get things moving.

06-30-2015, 08:19 PM	#10
silversink Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Dayton Oregon Posts: 318	Re: no numbers now what? is there any way to trace the point of sale. The coup did spend most of its life near the border in northern Washington----maybe it is a Canadian born A. The title number shows April for a date __________________ Hotrods don't have valve covers

06-30-2015, 08:21 PM	#11
Tom Wesenberg Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Mpls, MN Posts: 27,582	Re: no numbers now what? Is a new title being generated? Or is the good title being transferred? If you have a title with matching engine number, then you are restoring the frame number. Just another step in the restoration process.

06-30-2015, 08:33 PM	#14
Rowdy BANNED Join Date: May 2010 Location: Gothenburg Nebraska Just off I-80 Posts: 4,893	Re: no numbers now what? That may be true where you are, but here all that matters pre-1948 is the engine number. Dumb law as written. Luckily it is widely ignored or unknown by the deputy's that do the inspecting and most will inspect whatever numbers you present them. Rod __________________ Do the RIGHT thing - Support the H.A.M.B. Alliance!!!!

06-30-2015, 08:54 PM	#15
H. L. Chauvin Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 4,179	Re: no numbers now what? FWIW: If you are really interested in this car in lieu of selling it or getting rid of it , I think if you continue to explain and give: 1. More details on the partly known history of your vehicle; and, 2. Prior known title transfers of your vehicle; and, 3. More information and details about your written title; and, 4. Answers to your questions thus far from OMV/DMV and/or others, you may get some positive helpful suggestions on "who" to ask, and "what" to ask to get your project moving in a positive direction.

06-30-2015, 09:06 PM	#16
Steve Wastler Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 1,987	Re: no numbers now what? Give them too much info and you're going to screw yourself. If you had to remove the body To 'prove' ts yours you must already have a title. What else would they compare a number to? Stamp away, they are looking at a car 85 years old, as long as the number matches they won't know the difference

06-30-2015, 09:09 PM	#17
Mitch//pa BANNED Join Date: May 2010 Location: Bucks County, PA Posts: 11,454	Re: no numbers now what? use a dead blow hammer

06-30-2015, 09:23 PM	#18
silversink Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Dayton Oregon Posts: 318	Re: no numbers now what? I am the third owner, I have a title that is with the car, I have the original matching numbers engine (not in the car), I have paperwork from the late 30s that covers oil changes, registrations, plus after the car was parked in 1972 the owner bought tags and never put them on the car up until 1984, I was told by the State Police the number would have to be inspected before the Washington title could be changed to an Oregon title( same story at DMV), I tried to explain the eng. no. was the dominate no. and the frame was nothing but a number matching what ever number was on the eng. Been trying to do this on the up and up but now maybe its going to get a little shady. The title I got with the car is a legal not a bought title I'm thinking of putting the original eng. back in even though it doesn't run and call out the state poice again for one last try at doing it the right way. __________________ Hotrods don't have valve covers

06-30-2015, 09:29 PM	#19
C26Pinelake BANNED Join Date: May 2010 Location: Michigan / Ontario border, Sarnia, Ontario. 50 miles from Detroit and 150 from Toronto. Posts: 5,800	Re: no numbers now what? Certainly a better idea Than stamping your own numbers. If you stamp your own you could be charged criminally with fraud and have your vehicle confiscated. Stamping your own numbers would be very, very foolish ! Wayne

06-30-2015, 09:37 PM	#20
clo2jim Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Northern Ontario, Canada Posts: 175	Re: no numbers now what? Quote: Originally Posted by clo2jim If this is a Canadian built Model A, the Serial numbers were not stamped on the frame starting mid-1929 Question. Don't you mean before mid 29? Actually from the Canadian A's Section in the Judging Standards: "The manufacturing date was usually on the left side until approximately September 1928. From late 1928 through 1931 patent data plates were not used, even though holes were drilled in the firewall."