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Rojo · 01-28-2015, 04:57 PM

Can anybody advise the easiest way to replace the horn rod in my '29 Tudor? I have a 7 tooth gearbox. Can the box be loosened up just enough to drop the column an inch or two lower to fit the new rod without bending? Any suggestions appreciated.

BRENT in 10-uh-C · 01-28-2015, 05:39 PM

Not really. By the time you remove pedals, floorboards, bolts, etc. you are gonna find that rod just goes on forever as it is coming out the steering shaft!

I personally believe it is just as easy to remove the entire column and then remove it on the bench.

BTW, welcome to Fordbarn!!

700rpm · 01-28-2015, 06:28 PM

I have done this with the column in the car, but it is a pain. Like Brent, I think it would have been only slightly more work and ultimately easier if I'd removed it to the workbench.

larrys40 · 01-28-2015, 06:48 PM

I have done this a number of times on coupe without removing the column. Made a simple job a lot quicker... You still have to remove the floorboard, steering column bracket/rubber, remove the steering arm on the steering shaft and the two bolts holding the box.... you can usually pull the box out of the frame hole enough to tweak it down and point it out slightly so the horn rod will just clear the door opening. It can be done.... as I have done it! Just make sure you have a good horn rod you are putting in it, check it for proper electrical connectivity with a volt ohmeter between ground and the connector at the bottom. You should have very little resistance if any. Also, make sure you have the small brass light rod bushing on the upper end of the steering shaft. It helps in multiple ways to keep the rod from vibrating, and makes for a better electrical connection between the rod and shaft.
Larry

jkassay · 01-28-2015, 06:55 PM

Not sure if it is like my 30 coupe, but pretty much had to remove everyting like others had mentioned. But I was able to remove the starter and tilt the column enough to get the rod out the side door. It was like a 4 hour job just to put in a 50 cent anti rattle bushing! Good luck.

Rojo · 01-29-2015, 11:32 AM

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Thanks all for the advice and welcome! I'm new to this forum but have had this '29 in our family since my Grandfather bought it. I learned to drive in the A in the late 50's and have also drilled many a water well with it here in Texas. It was a daily driver up until the late 60's, when a vacation to Vietnam put a stop to my use of the A. My dad had a "restoration" done in the late 80's but as I am discovering, it was more of a cosmetic workover.....she only has 32,000 original miles but I decided to go through the car and finally address a few of the things that need fixing. While checking out the lower end of the horn rod a couple days ago, found the light switch full of grease and oil so decided to fix. When the grounding piece on the bottom of the horn rod was found broken, it turned into a slightly more complicated job...I really appreciate the help here and love working on the car....decided to keep it in my family for another 86 years! Again, thanks for all the great comments and advice and sure I will be returning for more help soon!

29spcoupe · 01-29-2015, 03:23 PM

I was able to remove the horn rod by removing the pitman arm, disconnecting the steering box from the frame, and removing the steering column clamp at the gas tank. Then I removed the floorboards and was able to pull the horn rod out through the drivers door. Did not remove the starter. Can't remember if I removed the pedals, but I don't think I had to. John

01-28-2015, 04:57 PM	#1
Rojo Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Texas Hill Country Posts: 35	'29 Horn rod installation Can anybody advise the easiest way to replace the horn rod in my '29 Tudor? I have a 7 tooth gearbox. Can the box be loosened up just enough to drop the column an inch or two lower to fit the new rod without bending? Any suggestions appreciated.

01-28-2015, 05:39 PM	#2
BRENT in 10-uh-C Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Eastern Tennessee Posts: 11,508	Re: '29 Horn rod installation Not really. By the time you remove pedals, floorboards, bolts, etc. you are gonna find that rod just goes on forever as it is coming out the steering shaft! I personally believe it is just as easy to remove the entire column and then remove it on the bench. BTW, welcome to Fordbarn!! __________________ . BRENT in 10-uh-C . www.model-a-ford.com ...(...Finally Updated!! ) .

01-28-2015, 06:28 PM	#3
700rpm Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 5,902	Re: '29 Horn rod installation I have done this with the column in the car, but it is a pain. Like Brent, I think it would have been only slightly more work and ultimately easier if I'd removed it to the workbench. __________________ Ray Horton, Portland, OR As you go through life, keep your eye on the donut, not the hole.

01-28-2015, 06:48 PM	#4
larrys40 Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: St Charles , Missouri Posts: 1,998	Re: '29 Horn rod installation I have done this a number of times on coupe without removing the column. Made a simple job a lot quicker... You still have to remove the floorboard, steering column bracket/rubber, remove the steering arm on the steering shaft and the two bolts holding the box.... you can usually pull the box out of the frame hole enough to tweak it down and point it out slightly so the horn rod will just clear the door opening. It can be done.... as I have done it! Just make sure you have a good horn rod you are putting in it, check it for proper electrical connectivity with a volt ohmeter between ground and the connector at the bottom. You should have very little resistance if any. Also, make sure you have the small brass light rod bushing on the upper end of the steering shaft. It helps in multiple ways to keep the rod from vibrating, and makes for a better electrical connection between the rod and shaft. Larry

01-28-2015, 06:55 PM	#5
jkassay Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Bear, Delaware Posts: 12	Re: '29 Horn rod installation Not sure if it is like my 30 coupe, but pretty much had to remove everyting like others had mentioned. But I was able to remove the starter and tilt the column enough to get the rod out the side door. It was like a 4 hour job just to put in a 50 cent anti rattle bushing! Good luck.

01-29-2015, 11:32 AM	#6
Rojo Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Texas Hill Country Posts: 35	Re: '29 Horn rod installation Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) Thanks all for the advice and welcome! I'm new to this forum but have had this '29 in our family since my Grandfather bought it. I learned to drive in the A in the late 50's and have also drilled many a water well with it here in Texas. It was a daily driver up until the late 60's, when a vacation to Vietnam put a stop to my use of the A. My dad had a "restoration" done in the late 80's but as I am discovering, it was more of a cosmetic workover.....she only has 32,000 original miles but I decided to go through the car and finally address a few of the things that need fixing. While checking out the lower end of the horn rod a couple days ago, found the light switch full of grease and oil so decided to fix. When the grounding piece on the bottom of the horn rod was found broken, it turned into a slightly more complicated job...I really appreciate the help here and love working on the car....decided to keep it in my family for another 86 years! Again, thanks for all the great comments and advice and sure I will be returning for more help soon!

01-29-2015, 03:23 PM	#7
29spcoupe Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Rhinebeck, NY Posts: 761	Re: '29 Horn rod installation I was able to remove the horn rod by removing the pitman arm, disconnecting the steering box from the frame, and removing the steering column clamp at the gas tank. Then I removed the floorboards and was able to pull the horn rod out through the drivers door. Did not remove the starter. Can't remember if I removed the pedals, but I don't think I had to. John