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Rowdy · 07-23-2014, 12:47 AM

I was disassembling the 5 horns that have been taking up shelf space waiting to be rebuilt. On the two Spartons and two of the SW's the flange nuts took a 7/16" wrench. But on the other SW the nuts took a 3/8" wrench. Was there a hardware change somewhere along the way or did someone in the distant past make a substitute? I read the JS and seen no mention of any change. Alittle input is apriciated. Thanks Rod

Ron in Quincy · 07-23-2014, 01:06 AM

Rowdy,

I believe the Standards are correct. Probable someone in the past rebuilt the horn and installed a new set of bolts and nuts ?

Ron

Tom Wesenberg · 07-23-2014, 06:10 AM

My October 1, 1929 Parts Price List calls for the 3/8" nuts and they are painted black enamel.

I'd have to look up the other dates for the Parts Price Lists to see if they changed size.

Rowdy · 07-23-2014, 06:52 AM

Thanks Tom. This horn is the one that came with the donor fordoor that I am using the chassis for the delivery sedan. The numbers are April 1929 and the car was a one family car with 67,000 miles. The horn did not show any signs of ever being apart. Rod

Tom Wesenberg · 07-23-2014, 07:21 AM

This needs more research because I think I've come across both sizes for the nuts also.

Steve Wastler · 07-23-2014, 07:36 AM

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According to Brattons catalog, Sparton and stewart warner used 7/16 nuts, Ames and GMI used 3/8

Rowdy · 07-23-2014, 08:34 AM

Speaking of Ames horns, one of the Sparon horns had an Ames mounting bracket. So far Ames is the only brackets I have seen that had their logo on them. Rod

Steve Wastler · 07-23-2014, 09:09 AM

I have one bracket with Ames, all others blank as stated above

d.j. moordigian · 07-23-2014, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Rowdy

I was disassembling the 5 horns that have been taking up shelf space waiting to be rebuilt. On the two Spartons and two of the SW's the flange nuts took a 7/16" wrench. But on the other SW the nuts took a 3/8" wrench. Was there a hardware change somewhere along the way or did someone in the distant past make a substitute? I read the JS and seen no mention of any change. Alittle input is apriciated. Thanks Rod

Rod,...it's in the chart, page 19-2, of the 2011...

CAPE A · 07-23-2014, 09:45 AM

Talking horns, I have a horn the cover says Sparton the flange has sparton stamped into it however the tag is not like a the sparton tags ive seen shorter wider grey with a letter and a # stamped into it. any other writing is gone. Under the back cover looks just like a sparton.I did get this from a old time model A guy that said it is a sparton. Any ideas ?? Thanks CAPE A

Rowdy · 07-23-2014, 10:18 AM

Thanks DJ. I do not yet have the 2011 version of the JS. Been paying too many med bills to even considering a non-esential item. I bought some hard to find parts for the hotrod, but atleast got back to even with the purchase by selling the things in the pile that I did not need. Maybe next year I can get back to working on the delivery and will buy the newer JS. Rod

d.j. moordigian · 07-23-2014, 10:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rowdy

Thanks DJ. I do not yet have the 2011 version of the JS. Been paying too many med bills to even considering a non-esential item. I bought some hard to find parts for the hotrod, but atleast got back to even with the purchase by selling the things in the pile that I did not need. Maybe next year I can get back to working on the delivery and will buy the newer JS. Rod

Boy, do I understand! Try this, the chart, page 19-2, 1997...

Rowdy · 07-23-2014, 09:38 PM

Thanks DJ. I was heavy into reading hard text that I don't even think I seen the chart.

Also when ordering parts today I noticed that Ames horns take different brushes. Not listed in the parts book. Where does one buy brushes for the Ames, a friend of mine needs a set. I have not looked at the A&L parts list yet. Thanks Rod

d.j. moordigian · 07-24-2014, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Rowdy

Also when ordering parts today I noticed that Ames horns take different brushes. Not listed in the parts book. Where does one buy brushes for the Ames, a friend of mine needs a set. I have not looked at the A&L parts list yet. Thanks Rod

I have an AMES,...just thought I would modify a set of brushes to fit!?

Rowdy · 07-24-2014, 10:06 AM

I hope you are right as I now own the horn. He wanted a working horn for the car show this weekend. He traded it to me this morning for the SW that I had for the delivery and some cash as long as the S W was done by tomorrow evening. I will measure the brush thickness and see if it is slightly smaller than the brushes for the other horns. If it is smaller I will file down a set for it. If they are larger than I will cut some to fit from my stockpile of unidentied brushes. I have a Klaxon I need to make brushes for any way. Also another possible solution is to change the brush holders to the ones currently sold. Rod

07-23-2014, 12:47 AM	#1
Rowdy BANNED Join Date: May 2010 Location: Gothenburg Nebraska Just off I-80 Posts: 4,893	Horn Hardware Change? I was disassembling the 5 horns that have been taking up shelf space waiting to be rebuilt. On the two Spartons and two of the SW's the flange nuts took a 7/16" wrench. But on the other SW the nuts took a 3/8" wrench. Was there a hardware change somewhere along the way or did someone in the distant past make a substitute? I read the JS and seen no mention of any change. Alittle input is apriciated. Thanks Rod

07-23-2014, 01:06 AM	#2
Ron in Quincy Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Quincy, CA. Posts: 1,708	Re: Horn Hardware Change? Rowdy, I believe the Standards are correct. Probable someone in the past rebuilt the horn and installed a new set of bolts and nuts ? Ron

07-23-2014, 06:10 AM	#3
Tom Wesenberg Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Mpls, MN Posts: 27,582	Re: Horn Hardware Change? My October 1, 1929 Parts Price List calls for the 3/8" nuts and they are painted black enamel. I'd have to look up the other dates for the Parts Price Lists to see if they changed size.

07-23-2014, 06:52 AM	#4
Rowdy BANNED Join Date: May 2010 Location: Gothenburg Nebraska Just off I-80 Posts: 4,893	Re: Horn Hardware Change? Thanks Tom. This horn is the one that came with the donor fordoor that I am using the chassis for the delivery sedan. The numbers are April 1929 and the car was a one family car with 67,000 miles. The horn did not show any signs of ever being apart. Rod

07-23-2014, 07:21 AM	#5
Tom Wesenberg Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Mpls, MN Posts: 27,582	Re: Horn Hardware Change? This needs more research because I think I've come across both sizes for the nuts also.

07-23-2014, 07:36 AM	#6
Steve Wastler Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 1,987	Re: Horn Hardware Change? Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) According to Brattons catalog, Sparton and stewart warner used 7/16 nuts, Ames and GMI used 3/8 Last edited by Steve Wastler; 07-23-2014 at 09:08 AM.

07-23-2014, 08:34 AM	#7
Rowdy BANNED Join Date: May 2010 Location: Gothenburg Nebraska Just off I-80 Posts: 4,893	Re: Horn Hardware Change? Speaking of Ames horns, one of the Sparon horns had an Ames mounting bracket. So far Ames is the only brackets I have seen that had their logo on them. Rod

07-23-2014, 09:09 AM	#8
Steve Wastler Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 1,987	Re: Horn Hardware Change? I have one bracket with Ames, all others blank as stated above

07-23-2014, 09:45 AM	#10
CAPE A Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Cape Cod Posts: 62	Re: Horn Hardware Change? Talking horns, I have a horn the cover says Sparton the flange has sparton stamped into it however the tag is not like a the sparton tags ive seen shorter wider grey with a letter and a # stamped into it. any other writing is gone. Under the back cover looks just like a sparton.I did get this from a old time model A guy that said it is a sparton. Any ideas ?? Thanks CAPE A

07-23-2014, 10:18 AM	#11
Rowdy BANNED Join Date: May 2010 Location: Gothenburg Nebraska Just off I-80 Posts: 4,893	Re: Horn Hardware Change? Thanks DJ. I do not yet have the 2011 version of the JS. Been paying too many med bills to even considering a non-esential item. I bought some hard to find parts for the hotrod, but atleast got back to even with the purchase by selling the things in the pile that I did not need. Maybe next year I can get back to working on the delivery and will buy the newer JS. Rod

07-23-2014, 09:38 PM	#13
Rowdy BANNED Join Date: May 2010 Location: Gothenburg Nebraska Just off I-80 Posts: 4,893	Re: Horn Hardware Change? Thanks DJ. I was heavy into reading hard text that I don't even think I seen the chart. Also when ordering parts today I noticed that Ames horns take different brushes. Not listed in the parts book. Where does one buy brushes for the Ames, a friend of mine needs a set. I have not looked at the A&L parts list yet. Thanks Rod

07-24-2014, 10:06 AM	#15
Rowdy BANNED Join Date: May 2010 Location: Gothenburg Nebraska Just off I-80 Posts: 4,893	Re: Horn Hardware Change? I hope you are right as I now own the horn. He wanted a working horn for the car show this weekend. He traded it to me this morning for the SW that I had for the delivery and some cash as long as the S W was done by tomorrow evening. I will measure the brush thickness and see if it is slightly smaller than the brushes for the other horns. If it is smaller I will file down a set for it. If they are larger than I will cut some to fit from my stockpile of unidentied brushes. I have a Klaxon I need to make brushes for any way. Also another possible solution is to change the brush holders to the ones currently sold. Rod