Lost Title to '28

[orange150]

Hey everybody, new to this forum.
A quick background: I inherited two Model A's from my father, one '28 hard cab which is in pieces, and one '29 Roadster which is complete.
I'd like to sell the '28 as I have too many projects as it is, but I can't seem to find titles or paperwork to it anywhere. It had paper work at one time because I remember riding around in it with my father when I was a child.

Where can I find a VIN, or any other ID # on the truck so I can fill out a lost title form?
Is there anything else I might need? I'm in NC by the way.

Thanks.

[wrndln]

There are two places Ford stamped the ID number on model A's. The easiest is the one on the left side of the engine just below the head in the middle of the block. It should be of the format - *Axxxxxx*. The other place is on the left side of the frame on top when the cowl is, but it can't be seen without lifting or removing the body. The numbers were originally the same. Hope this helps.
Rusty Nelson

[jkeesey]

The vin is on the drivers side of the engine block just under the head. Unless the engine was changed that is your number.

[jmeckel]

There are two places one on the frame near were you feet are when driving, the other and much easier to find is on the left side of the engine block if the engine has not been changed both of these numbers will be the same. Welcome to the best place to get Model A questions answered, there is a lot of knowledge on this site that is freely shared.

[Steve Plucker]

Originally Posted by orange150

Hey everybody, new to this forum.
A quick background: I inherited two Model A's from my father, one '28 hard cab which is in pieces, and one '29 Roadster which is complete.
I'd like to sell the '28 as I have too many projects as it is, but I can't seem to find titles or paperwork to it anywhere. It had paper work at one time because I remember riding around in it with my father when I was a child.

Where can I find a VIN, or any other ID # on the truck so I can fill out a lost title form?
Is there anything else I might need? I'm in NC by the way.

Thanks.

Could you please explain to us just what you mean by a "hard cab"?

You say a "truck"...do you mean an AA "Closed Cab truck" or an A Closed Cab Pickup (if you know the difference)?

Thanks.

Pluck

[Tom Wesenberg]

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Originally Posted by jmeckel

There are two places one on the frame near were you feet are when driving, the other and much easier to find is on the left side of the engine block if the engine has not been changed both of these numbers will be the same. Welcome to the best place to get Model A questions answered, there is a lot of knowledge on this site that is freely shared.

Jon, the number by the driver's heel would be the assembly plant number and different than the engine and frame number. The assemly plant number should also begin with letters to identify the assembly plane, such as my A's all begine with "TC" for Twin Cities Assembly Plant.

[luckyal]

Just remember the one on the engine is only correct if it is the origianl engine and has not been changed as many were. The one on the frame is your best bet !!

[Richard Wilson]

Get in touch with the local NCDMV inspectors and they will tell you exactly what you will need to do. Do not try to short cut the system. Title laws and requirements are posted on NCDMV web site but may be confusing. Hopefully your dad had a "correct" numbers matching NC title in his name.

[H. L. Chauvin]

Humble Opinion:

Suggest "first" submitting name of your father only to DMV.

Then, play dumb, & give as little additional information as possible about VIN no., motor no., frame no. etc., etc.

DMV has a laundry list of items at hand as to why "not" to issue a title.

Furthermore, if DMV sends an officer to inspect the vehicle:

1. And he finds your vehicle in parts, they could request that it be assembled and inspected again prior to their giving a title.

2. And finds a different motor number, could be more problems.

3. And cannot read the number on the frame, or find a VIN number, could be more problems.

Just a friendly "warning" that not all State DMV's are alike & not all Sub-District DMV's within a State are alike & not all DMV employees are alike.

Like many Government Agencies at any level, many need tons of paper work to show their heads of Governments in order to justify their positions -- more positions, more supervisors with higher pay.

Please don't ask how I know this -- the "Cliff" in many States today is not very far away.

[orange150]

Originally Posted by Steve Plucker

Could you please explain to us just what you mean by a "hard cab"?

One has a hard top, full cab. The '29 is a soft top, convertible. Both are pickups.

Thanks for the info on where the #s are. I'm named after my father, so I hope that will make things a little easier.

[Mike V. Florida]

This is fron Jim Masons site;

[jkeesey]

So they would be a closed cab pickup and a roadster pickup. Being your name is the same as your fathers you should be able to just try for a lost title. My brother went to transfer a vehicle from our fathers name into his and the notary wouldn't do it because he couldn't comprehend why he was transferring to the same name.

[Buz]

I just went through the process of getting titles to two cars in NC where the titles were lost. Email me if you want some tips on how I got through the process. It's not too hard, but can get picky. The DMV inspector misspelled my name on his report and they kicked the whole thing out until he filed a corrected report. So expect some hoops to jump through and being turned away multiple times, even when it's their fault.

There must be some reason, but with any "antique" car title even after you have filed all the correct paperwork they are going to hold the title 60-90 days before mailing it to you.

[jmeckel]

Originally Posted by Tom Wesenberg

Jon, the number by the driver's heel would be the assembly plant number and different than the engine and frame number. The assemly plant number should also begin with letters to identify the assembly plane, such as my A's all begine with "TC" for Twin Cities Assembly Plant.

Tom you are right, don't know what I was thinking. Sorry for the error

[lance leblanc]

Originally Posted by Tom Wesenberg

Jon, the number by the driver's heel would be the assembly plant number and different than the engine and frame number. The assemly plant number should also begin with letters to identify the assembly plane, such as my A's all begine with "TC" for Twin Cities Assembly Plant.

I'm confused, are there 3 places with a number?

1. Engine. (Side of block)
2. Frame (drivers heel)
3. Assembly plant (?)

I thought the frame number on top of the frame rail by the drivers heel was assembly plant number and referred to as the frame number.
Was there one on the fire wall?

[Tom Wesenberg]

See the picture in post #11 for the two places for the engine number. The assembly number is on the body floor, about where my heel would set with my feet straight down. I'll se if I can find a picture.



This is a body number from a 31 Delux Tudor, if I remember correctly.

[Bruce Adams]

Is there a license plate on the cars?
If so, try getting a duplicate title based on the license tag.

[Mike V. Florida]

Originally Posted by lance leblanc

I'm confused, are there 3 places with a number?

Some cars more, but only two have anything to do with the titling the car as shown in the picture.

[Steve Plucker]

Originally Posted by Tom Wesenberg

See the picture in post #11 for the two places for the engine number. The assembly number is on the body floor, about where my heel would set with my feet straight down. I'll se if I can find a picture.



This is a body number from a 31 Delux Tudor, if I remember correctly.

Tom,
Interesting on that body number...For 1931 there were only 1239 Deluxe Tudors assembled at the Twin Cities (TC) plant...However the total number of vehicles assembled in 1931 at the TC plant were 22873.

I wonder why the high number of "33019"???

It sure would be nice to understand Ford's reasoning here...maybe the stamp guy grabed the "3" stamp instead of the "2" stamp????? Hmmmmmmm.....

Dave Sturges...can you help out here?

Pluck

[Tom Wesenberg]

Pluck, this is a mystery. Could the number indicate the running total of Tudors built for all four years? Although it seems way too low for the running total.