08-04-2015, 09:32 AM | #1 |
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Pistons
About 60% of the power losses due to friction are caused by the pistons in a conventional internal combustion engine. Another parasitic power loss is due to the mass of pistons. Then why are we using 1920's piston design technology in our Model "A" & Model "B" engines wherein pistons have very long skirts?
Is there a Model "A" & "B" engine builder out there that uses modern pistons?
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08-04-2015, 09:45 AM | #2 |
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Re: Pistons
I've read several posts on using the "283" style pistons, which is just a referral to the modern slipper-skirt pistons, I believe.
I think I've even read where some of the racers and hill-climbers are using narrow rings to cut down on the drag you mentioned. Pete and Jim Brierley to name a couple ought to have some good input on this, if they decide to chime in. |
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08-04-2015, 09:58 AM | #4 |
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Re: Pistons
There are many factors to the piston design, too many to list here.
However, the stroke length and rod ratio does have something to do with the longer skirts. Modern lubricants and proper clearance will eliminate quite a bit of the drag, due to the fact the cyl is not cooled uniformly at the bottom more clearance is required, this makes the longer skirt more desirable. IMHO, the rings are more of a parasitic drag factor then the skirts. I have been having my pistons made with modern car ring packages and like the results. Sealing is very good and the oil control is excellent. J
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Re: Pistons
Many use pistons from Pete's. I have used 1955, 324 Olds pistons with good results, they require enlarging the pin hole a little but have the correct pin height. Both have narrower rings.
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08-04-2015, 11:49 AM | #7 |
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Re: Pistons
Actually, the pistons from a Chevrolet are heavier than what is available in aftermarket from most Model-A parts vendors. And, adding to that, those aftermarket pistons are heavier than original pistons by a substantial amount too. Heck, the wrist pins alone have about 100 grams of difference between the lighter original pin and the aftermarket pin.
The best available that I know of are the pistons that Rich Fallucca now offers. They are modern technology and are made specifically for the A/B. Call him if you want more info on them. |
08-04-2015, 01:29 PM | #8 |
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I use Ross.
They are forged. They will make them to your specifications. They will assist you in selecting the right piston for your application. |
08-04-2015, 01:44 PM | #9 |
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Here are the 283 style pistons that I obtained from John Cosper and recently installed in my car.
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Did not weigh them.
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My experience is the Chevrolet pistons are heavier. The only two advantages that I knew of was the costs (much cheaper buying in a set of 8) and the thinner ring (less parasitic drag) |
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