The Ford Barn

fiddlybits · 02-26-2015, 08:23 PM

Would you believe I rubbed the paint off and the opacity went with it?

(This should be better than safety chrome)

Joe K · 02-26-2015, 08:32 PM

Fun device.

So what have you learned from it?

Joe K

fiddlybits · 02-26-2015, 11:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe K

Fun device.

So what have you learned from it?

Joe K

Nothing, yet. Just finished making it and got the dinner call. Had a meeting so playing with it will have to be over the weekend.
Should be fun to watch the valves.

Tom Wesenberg · 02-27-2015, 12:05 AM

I wonder if it will stay clear enough to see inside? The oil mist might cloud it over, but watch the front as soon as the engine starts, to see how much oil flows onto the timing gears.

30ccpickup · 02-27-2015, 03:32 AM

Set up your cellphone/video to record at startup.

kenparker · 02-27-2015, 08:15 AM

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I got one of those. Played with it couple of times. Fun to watch the oil come squirting in for about the first ten seconds. By then the wall is so oily that the view was obliterated. Then all the fun was gone. Wish I had a way to video it - then I would try again. ken

MikeK · 02-27-2015, 10:16 AM

Perhaps a pair of tiny windshield wipers to clear the running view?

Bruce_MO · 02-27-2015, 01:52 PM

Not quite as fancy, but I took a beat-up oil return tube and cut a 3" section out of it and slipped some 3/4" ID clear tubing from Home Depot in to fill the gap. Added two hose clamps, and I had a way to see oil flow on start-up of a fresh rebuild. I was just looking to get a sense of how long before I had oil flow after start-up, without making a big oily mess. Worked great.

mshmodela · 02-27-2015, 02:39 PM

Yeah, you have to make a video of it...

d.j. moordigian · 02-27-2015, 02:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fiddlybits

Nothing, yet. Just finished making it and got the dinner call. Had a meeting so playing with it will have to be over the weekend.
Should be fun to watch the valves.

Good deal!
Please post a video.....

BILL WILLIAMSON · 02-27-2015, 03:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeK

Perhaps a pair of tiny windshield wipers to clear the running view?

Mike,
On the front to clean my GLASSES & one on the back to clear my HEAD??
Buster T.

CWilson · 02-27-2015, 09:37 PM

I use these.

fiddlybits · 03-21-2015, 01:57 PM

Well........ not much oil flowing.......even at fast idle

https://youtu.be/8Urtmsg8f10

clean pan, oil passages are clear and pump is good.

Here's a video of the initial cranking to watch oil flow at cranking speed. (ignition is off)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBQO-nM27Hg

Joe K · 03-21-2015, 02:17 PM

Interesting the pocket of oil immediately to the right of the baffle. I always assumed the level of the oil for the whole chamber was set by the weir at the timing gear.

That oil pipe MUST do something.

Now maybe a cover WITHOUT an oil pipe connection - so you can see what the experimental engines of July 1929 (what, like 2800 of them?) had in their favor/non-favor?

(Gosh. I hear the sound and I want to go start my Model A up. Too bad. I'm working in Louisiana)

Joe K

C26Pinelake · 03-21-2015, 02:25 PM

Okay I give up, what is the purpose or what use does it serve ?
Wayne

fiddlybits · 03-21-2015, 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by C26Pinelake

Okay I give up, what is the purpose or what use does it serve ?
Wayne

I made the clear side cover to be able to see into the oil/lifter galley while the motor was running.

I am very surprised at the amount of oil that is NOT being pumped. After the engine had been running for almost 5 minutes the galley to the left had filled to the overflow pipe.

d.j. moordigian · 03-21-2015, 03:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fiddlybits

Well........ not much oil flowing.......
https://youtu.be/8Urtmsg8f10

clean pan, oil passages and pump is good.

Yes, I do agree !........sure does look short on the flow. Was that at
idle?

Tom Wesenberg · 03-21-2015, 03:27 PM

I checked an engine by running it at idle with the side cover off and the oil flowing onto the timing gear was like Niagra Falls.
Do you have a clean screen on the oil pump?
Did you use gaskets on the oil pump gear cover if none should be there?
Do you have a good spring holding the pump tight to the block?

d.j. moordigian · 03-21-2015, 04:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom Wesenberg

I checked an engine by running it at idle with the side cover off and the oil flowing onto the timing gear was like Niagra Falls.
Do you have a clean screen on the oil pump?
Did you use gaskets on the oil pump gear cover if none should be there?
Do you have a good spring holding the pump tight to the block?

Tom,.....you got me thinking...
It could be the center main on the cam, with excessive clearance.

C26Pinelake · 03-21-2015, 04:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fiddlybits

I made the clear side cover to be able to see into the oil/lifter galley while the motor was running.

I am very surprised at the amount of oil that is NOT being pumped. After the engine had been running for almost 5 minutes the galley to the left had filled to the overflow pipe.

Was it just a novelty or were you trying to diagnose a problem ! Wayne

02-26-2015, 08:32 PM	#2
Joe K Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Cow Hampshire Posts: 4,188	Re: I can see clearly now Fun device. So what have you learned from it? Joe K __________________ Shudda kept the horse.

02-27-2015, 12:05 AM	#4
Tom Wesenberg Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Mpls, MN Posts: 27,582	Re: I can see clearly now I wonder if it will stay clear enough to see inside? The oil mist might cloud it over, but watch the front as soon as the engine starts, to see how much oil flows onto the timing gears.

02-27-2015, 03:32 AM	#5
30ccpickup Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Wakarusa, IN Posts: 928	Re: I can see clearly now Set up your cellphone/video to record at startup. __________________ http://MODELABASICS.com/ How Things Work on a Model "A" Ford Fordbarners, Feel free to use the pictures on my site to answer questions and create tutorials/tech articles.

02-27-2015, 08:15 AM	#6
kenparker Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Van, Texas Posts: 1,122	Re: I can see clearly now Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) I got one of those. Played with it couple of times. Fun to watch the oil come squirting in for about the first ten seconds. By then the wall is so oily that the view was obliterated. Then all the fun was gone. Wish I had a way to video it - then I would try again. ken

02-27-2015, 10:16 AM	#7
MikeK Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Windy City Posts: 2,919	Re: I can see clearly now Perhaps a pair of tiny windshield wipers to clear the running view?

02-27-2015, 01:52 PM	#8
Bruce_MO Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 433	Re: I can see clearly now Not quite as fancy, but I took a beat-up oil return tube and cut a 3" section out of it and slipped some 3/4" ID clear tubing from Home Depot in to fill the gap. Added two hose clamps, and I had a way to see oil flow on start-up of a fresh rebuild. I was just looking to get a sense of how long before I had oil flow after start-up, without making a big oily mess. Worked great.

02-27-2015, 02:39 PM	#9
mshmodela Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Cleveland, Ohio Posts: 2,763	Re: I can see clearly now Yeah, you have to make a video of it... __________________ -Mike Late 31' Ford Model A Tudor, Miss Daisy I don't work on cars --I'm learning about my Model A. Cleveland, Ohio

02-27-2015, 09:37 PM	#12
CWilson Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Sunbury, OH Posts: 295	Re: I can see clearly now I use these.

03-21-2015, 01:57 PM	#13
fiddlybits Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: N Illinois Posts: 447	Re: I can see clearly now Well........ not much oil flowing.......even at fast idle https://youtu.be/8Urtmsg8f10 clean pan, oil passages are clear and pump is good. Here's a video of the initial cranking to watch oil flow at cranking speed. (ignition is off) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBQO-nM27Hg Last edited by fiddlybits; 03-21-2015 at 03:22 PM.

03-21-2015, 02:17 PM	#14
Joe K Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Cow Hampshire Posts: 4,188	Re: I can see clearly now Interesting the pocket of oil immediately to the right of the baffle. I always assumed the level of the oil for the whole chamber was set by the weir at the timing gear. That oil pipe MUST do something. Now maybe a cover WITHOUT an oil pipe connection - so you can see what the experimental engines of July 1929 (what, like 2800 of them?) had in their favor/non-favor? (Gosh. I hear the sound and I want to go start my Model A up. Too bad. I'm working in Louisiana) Joe K __________________ Shudda kept the horse.

03-21-2015, 02:25 PM	#15
C26Pinelake BANNED Join Date: May 2010 Location: Michigan / Ontario border, Sarnia, Ontario. 50 miles from Detroit and 150 from Toronto. Posts: 5,800	Re: I can see clearly now Okay I give up, what is the purpose or what use does it serve ? Wayne

03-21-2015, 03:27 PM	#18
Tom Wesenberg Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Mpls, MN Posts: 27,582	Re: I can see clearly now I checked an engine by running it at idle with the side cover off and the oil flowing onto the timing gear was like Niagra Falls. Do you have a clean screen on the oil pump? Did you use gaskets on the oil pump gear cover if none should be there? Do you have a good spring holding the pump tight to the block?