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Big hammer · 10-20-2016, 05:56 PM

The only thing I can think of, which side of the car is adjusting being done? If timing is set from the driver side (LHD Side ) then everything would backwords! Yes/no or I'm I upside down and backwords :-)

CarlG · 10-20-2016, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Big hammer

The only thing I can think of, which side of the car is adjusting being done? If timing is set from the driver side (LHD Side ) then everything would backwords! Yes/no or I'm I upside down and backwords :-)

From the LH side of the engine, wouldn't everything needed to time the engine be out of reach?

wmws · 10-20-2016, 07:23 PM

If your doing as Tom says in post 12 and it won't fire you might check continuity between the post at 4 o'clock inside the cover and the front post outside. I suppose it is possible the wires in the housing don't go to the right post.

Tom Wesenberg · 10-20-2016, 08:33 PM

"Guys thank you so much for your imput!!! The crazy thing is that I had checked TDC with the pin in the cam gear and by looking down inside the cylinder with both valves closed to make sure I was doing it right."

At TDC during valve overlap, both valves will look like they are closed, but they are actually slightly off the seats. I would FEEL for the compression so you know you are TDC on the firing stroke. You can also pull the spark plug and see if the intake valve closes just as the piston passes bottom dead center, then it will compress on the upstroke and fire at TDC. At this point (TDC) the rotor should be positioned just as in my second picture.

updraught · 10-20-2016, 08:54 PM

"All this OCD behavior over initial timing is pointless!"

It is only set where it is so it doesn't backfire when cranking?

There is some special bone (crank handle bone?) that gets broken when the thing backfires and you have all your digits around the handle...

tbirdtbird · 10-20-2016, 10:29 PM

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wmws he did get it to run

i agree w/ Tom's theory of the cam gear installed wrong. I actually think we had that on here a while back.....

wmws · 10-21-2016, 09:23 AM

He got it to run but he said the timing gear was on right just as in Tom's picture. Maybe he is at the top of the exhaust stroke rather than compression when his timing marks are lined up and as you all say the gear is 180* out. If he is actually on the compression stroke then something has to be wrong with the cap body. I would be very interested what Boys Toys finds out.

BILL WILLIAMSON · 10-21-2016, 09:25 AM

I should set up a MOBILE TIMING TRUCK & tour the country, just setting TIMING! The Dog sez he will hold the timing pin.
Bill W.

Barry B./ Ma. · 10-21-2016, 09:40 AM

I don't understand, can there be any thing easier than setting the timing on the Model A ?

BoysToys1928A · 10-21-2016, 11:11 AM

Hey gentleman, thank you for helping this newbe !!! I agree with you all that setting the timing should be the easiest thing to do with a model A next to deciding that you want one. I will keep you all posted as to more of the findings. As some are saying it is running and driving so I happy but still want to know why. I will check as wmws has asked maybe I do have an after market distributor cap that is wrong... And trust me I really wanted to have a car just like everyone else. Don't really need more attention... But your help is much appreciated.

Larry

Tom Wesenberg · 10-21-2016, 03:22 PM

We need closure on this puzzle, so check the valve movement in relation to the piston movement as I mentioned in #24.
It may prevent a future mistake by someone.

BoysToys1928A · 10-21-2016, 04:47 PM

Okay next thing I checked was the relationship of the distributor cap and the inside point to the out side point on the distributor. Just as Tom's picture which has the rotor at the number 1 firing position, so it is with my distributor cap. next one in the rotation of the rotor it hits number 2 spark plug then the next is to number 4 spark plug then to number 3 spark plug. Just as all the pictures and many videos I have watched to try to figure this out. I will say I put the distributor back together hit the starter and in two revolutions the engine fired to life... I love that part. But after I get the NU-REX timing blade and install it I will check as you said Tom and make sure the valves really are closed and compression is on number 1 TDC. Some of you may Jacque White he drove a 1913 Model T across the USA in 2013, he lives about 15 miles from me and is letting me use his 6 volt timing lights. We shall see what I find and continue to keep you all in the loop. Again many thanks for your imput.

Larry

10-20-2016, 05:56 PM	#21
Big hammer Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Land of Lincoln Posts: 3,127	Re: Timing of Engine The only thing I can think of, which side of the car is adjusting being done? If timing is set from the driver side (LHD Side ) then everything would backwords! Yes/no or I'm I upside down and backwords :-)

10-20-2016, 07:23 PM	#23
wmws BANNED Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Coatesville, Pa Posts: 719	Re: Timing of Engine If your doing as Tom says in post 12 and it won't fire you might check continuity between the post at 4 o'clock inside the cover and the front post outside. I suppose it is possible the wires in the housing don't go to the right post.

10-20-2016, 08:54 PM	#25
updraught Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: Australia Posts: 1,969	Re: Timing of Engine "All this OCD behavior over initial timing is pointless!" It is only set where it is so it doesn't backfire when cranking? There is some special bone (crank handle bone?) that gets broken when the thing backfires and you have all your digits around the handle...

10-20-2016, 10:29 PM	#26
tbirdtbird BANNED Join Date: May 2012 Location: inside your RAM Posts: 3,134	Re: Timing of Engine Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) carpal navicular wmws he did get it to run i agree w/ Tom's theory of the cam gear installed wrong. I actually think we had that on here a while back..... __________________ '31 180A

10-21-2016, 09:23 AM	#27
wmws BANNED Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Coatesville, Pa Posts: 719	Re: Timing of Engine He got it to run but he said the timing gear was on right just as in Tom's picture. Maybe he is at the top of the exhaust stroke rather than compression when his timing marks are lined up and as you all say the gear is 180* out. If he is actually on the compression stroke then something has to be wrong with the cap body. I would be very interested what Boys Toys finds out.

10-20-2016, 08:33 PM	#24
Tom Wesenberg Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Mpls, MN Posts: 27,582	Re: Timing of Engine "Guys thank you so much for your imput!!! The crazy thing is that I had checked TDC with the pin in the cam gear and by looking down inside the cylinder with both valves closed to make sure I was doing it right." At TDC during valve overlap, both valves will look like they are closed, but they are actually slightly off the seats. I would FEEL for the compression so you know you are TDC on the firing stroke. You can also pull the spark plug and see if the intake valve closes just as the piston passes bottom dead center, then it will compress on the upstroke and fire at TDC. At this point (TDC) the rotor should be positioned just as in my second picture.

10-21-2016, 09:25 AM	#28
BILL WILLIAMSON Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: FRESNO, CA Posts: 12,560	Re: Timing of Engine I should set up a MOBILE TIMING TRUCK & tour the country, just setting TIMING! The Dog sez he will hold the timing pin. Bill W. __________________ "THE ASSISTANT GURU OF STUFF"

10-21-2016, 09:40 AM	#29
Barry B./ Ma. Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Southbridge, Ma. Posts: 1,614	Re: Timing of Engine I don't understand, can there be any thing easier than setting the timing on the Model A ?

10-21-2016, 11:11 AM	#30
BoysToys1928A Member Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: Tower City, PA Posts: 46	Re: Timing of Engine Hey gentleman, thank you for helping this newbe !!! I agree with you all that setting the timing should be the easiest thing to do with a model A next to deciding that you want one. I will keep you all posted as to more of the findings. As some are saying it is running and driving so I happy but still want to know why. I will check as wmws has asked maybe I do have an after market distributor cap that is wrong... And trust me I really wanted to have a car just like everyone else. Don't really need more attention... But your help is much appreciated. Larry

10-21-2016, 03:22 PM	#31
Tom Wesenberg Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Mpls, MN Posts: 27,582	Re: Timing of Engine We need closure on this puzzle, so check the valve movement in relation to the piston movement as I mentioned in #24. It may prevent a future mistake by someone.

10-21-2016, 04:47 PM	#32
BoysToys1928A Member Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: Tower City, PA Posts: 46	Re: Timing of Engine Okay next thing I checked was the relationship of the distributor cap and the inside point to the out side point on the distributor. Just as Tom's picture which has the rotor at the number 1 firing position, so it is with my distributor cap. next one in the rotation of the rotor it hits number 2 spark plug then the next is to number 4 spark plug then to number 3 spark plug. Just as all the pictures and many videos I have watched to try to figure this out. I will say I put the distributor back together hit the starter and in two revolutions the engine fired to life... I love that part. But after I get the NU-REX timing blade and install it I will check as you said Tom and make sure the valves really are closed and compression is on number 1 TDC. Some of you may Jacque White he drove a 1913 Model T across the USA in 2013, he lives about 15 miles from me and is letting me use his 6 volt timing lights. We shall see what I find and continue to keep you all in the loop. Again many thanks for your imput. Larry