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09-05-2023, 04:51 PM | #1 |
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Canadian rad emblem is different than U.S.A.
The Canadian rad emblem from the beginning of production until the end of January 1929 was a dark blue vitreous enamel that appeared Black. The script and lipped edge were Nickel plated, unpolished. The base was Copper or Brass.
Photograph of original shows the Blue in the chips. They were made by Day Nameplates Ltd. Toronto Canada and D.L.Auld Co. Columbus O. Reproductions are black and the edge has no lip. The Dark Blue to date is the only recognized emblem for judging but investigation is ongoing to see if Black had possibly been used for some. Starting February 1929 the enamel was eliminated leaving the entire emblem Unpolished Nickel. The base, still Copper or Brass. Starting with the 1930 shell the emblem was still minus the enamel and was plated Dull Chrome. The base, still Copper or Brass. The 1931 style shell used a stamped stainless steel emblem with reassess either left plain or painted Black. |
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Hello, interesting information,even though I don’t have a Canadian built car . Amazing how many varieties of a relatively simple item.
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09-05-2023, 05:47 PM | #3 |
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There are a lot of detail differences in the Canadian built cars. Many, if not all, of these are outlined in the latest issue of the "Judging Guide". Somebody did a lot of research on this subject and it is very useful
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09-05-2023, 07:24 PM | #5 |
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Not only was radiator emblem unique
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09-05-2023, 11:58 PM | #6 |
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Anyone have info on them or what the red ones were used for ? |
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Many moons ago I saw a Phaeton from South America that has a red cloisonne Ford script radiator emblem
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There was a company quite awhile ago that produced reproduction emblems in various colors and red was the color most people remember seeing. I don't know where this company was or even the name of it. Yet.
So far there are no originals or documentation known to support other colors. We keep digging for more supersizes! |
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That's one of those "unobtainium" pieces!
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This is a great thread because I never realized you could see blue under the "black" appearing enamel. I also have a damaged original, and sure enough, the dark blue is visible...
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09-07-2023, 11:36 AM | #11 |
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Here's the Auld maker mark on the reverse of mine
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09-07-2023, 11:41 AM | #12 |
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And...who knew...I was glancing at it and saw there was a second manufacturer mark.
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Ones without cracks are rare. I know someone that has a pristine one and was confident it was black. Once I chipped it he could see the blue. His mouth just dropped in disbelief and I said, told ya!
I am kidding! If I had chipped it I wouldn't be alive to talk about it. Without chips it can be very hard to tell. Most of the ones I've seen over the years were already chipped and showed the blue. Quote:
Sometimes the marks are obscured by the mounting button soldered on the back. Day Nameplates marks, on some were near the top and bottom rather than on the ends as your Auld is. Many emblems don't show marks but the ones that I've seen with marks, all show two. That goes for both Auld and Day. |
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There's a tough one to get. Early 28.
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09-08-2023, 10:25 AM | #15 |
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interesting thread- I have an early sept 28 phaeton from Canada and a few peculiar items on it, though it isnt as early as mentioned. would love to see much more concerning these cars...........
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I always thought they were black. There's always something new to learn on model A's.
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ronn, I will add Canadian odditties in the discussions as time permits. At work I have a photograph of a very early shell that probably was made with tooling first sent from the U.S.A. in 1927. This was before A production started in Canada. Next week I will post that photo in this thread. An interesting piece for sure. Bob Intini |
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Now picture a Model A meet with a Canadian 1928 car. You might have to stand in line to have a look. I will have to introduce more Canadian differences to look at while you are waiting in line to see the rad emblem. Bob Intini |
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Looking forward to seeing you further posts Bob, this is an area I have been interested in for many years.
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These are some great posts. I look forward to more, since I have an early Canadian car (CA4752).
How about a thread on the different fonts used for Canadian engine and frame stamping?
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The shell tooling could have been used in U.S.A. first then sent to us or made specifically for Canada. Still researching. You can see the two slots in the shell that correspond to the two tabs on the back of the emblem. The owner has seen one of these shells complete with a Canadian emblem mounted on it but not any U.S. as of yet. If you have any information or photographs on this early piece, please post here. |
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09-12-2023, 05:32 PM | #22 |
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The U.S. supplied shells, that required the lacing threaded, also had the two locating slots for the emblem. It would appear that there were two versions of the threaded shells. One with large holes for threading, and then an interim version, that had both large holes for threading, and also smaller holes for riveting. My Canadian version also has a number stamped on the edge, as per photo. Has anyone else noted this feature, I am wondering if these Canadian shells were sequentially stamped?
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Here is an interesting photo, of an early shell posted by John LaVoy. It is probably not Canadian, but worth posting. It shows that the shell was stamped originally like the Model Ts, before being stamped to accept the separate emblem.
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Is there any front photograph that you know of? Are you thinking it was U.S. or somewhere else? Do you know if a Model A ever used the shell with just the Ford script in the oval stamped directly in the piece as it looks like the hole in this one was an afterthought? |
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Sorry for being late to this thread about the radiator shell. I was looking for info on the badge and saw the subsequent posts. I had a VE28 shell at one point and it also had the tabs for the badge. It was US-made (I assume) and there were no numbers on it anywhere.
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